Dexter season 4

[flint]

Yeah, good episode. Still wish they'd drop back on the Soap Opera stuff, but at least they brought Dexter into the LaGuerta/Angel storyline and the Dirty Cop/Reporter storyline had a payout in Lundy's death.

This episode has also got me thinking that his father is actually the Dark Passenger. What with him desperate to drop the family, but also to carry on with the kill regardless of how dangerous it was. Strikes me less like what his father would do and more like what the Passenger would do.

I actually hope I'm wrong on this though, making the Passenger a literal entity was one of the worst things the books ever did.

[Waaaaaaaalt]

Ehh I don't think they are going the book's way with it literally tunring into a supernatural tale, thank christ.

[Humanoid]

Saw the Lundy thing coming a mile away. Still, it was a solid episode. I REALLY hope this season doesn't follow the Dexter formula of getting fuckin good about half way through and then fouling up the landing.

[Tomas Mejor]

I have to agree that the show picked up when Rita & the kids were gone. I think that's part of the point, but it's a big fuck you to the audience saying we have to suffer with the characters. I am supposed to be enjoying this goddamn show more.

[Moltisanti]

Was pretty ho-hum until the last 10 minutes. Should have seemed obvious that Lithgow would be a family man, surprised me though.

[Dross]

Carpenter was terrific in the parking lot scene.

[Waaaaaaaalt]

Originally Posted by Dross

Carpenter was terrific in the parking lot scene.

Yes! She really was in fact. Truth is Carpenter to me always felt like a decent actress. Not terrible but really just average. She really fucking sold it in the parking lot scene. I like that they aren't just focusing on how Harry fucked up Dexter but how badly he fucked up Deb. Hell the scenes with Lundy always scream daddy issues which im sure is pretty obvious to everyone else as well.

Yeah for whatever reason I never saw the family coming either. Mostly because I kind of figured he was on the move. Does his family go with him or have they been in Miami the whole time and he travels. Should actually be interesting to see what Dexter an learn from him in terms of how he "has it all".

[stelios]

Purely a setup episode until the last few scenes. Next one seems much better although I think that Trinity wasn't Lundy's killer after all.

Spectacular nudity, too. Brandon Routh is a very lucky boy.

[Jacob Singer]

I thought that was a fantastic episode.

[Doc Happenin]

Great episode. Didn't see the family thing coming, though as you say, probably should have. The look on Dexter's face as he realized it was priceless. The immature, snarky internet fanboy in me wanted to take a few screencaps of that and then scrawl 'FAIL' across the image, because damn, Dex, this guy is better than you at almost everything.

Yay for Debra, too. Great scene in the parking lot.

[Cameron Hughes]

The Trinity reveal made me think of BTK, who was also a family man and deacon at his church.

[Syd]

I'm really, really looking forward to scenes of Lithgow and Dexter together. And Damnitt, I just know Trinity is going to tutor Dexter in how to be a serial killer and have a family, only to end up on Dexter's table by seasons end, but I don't care. Those scenes should prove electric, like Smitts and Dexter last season.

[Waaaaaaaalt]

Originally Posted by Syd

I'm really, really looking forward to scenes of Lithgow and Dexter together. And Damnitt, I just know Trinity is going to tutor Dexter in how to be a serial killer and have a family, only to end up on Dexter's table by seasons end, but I don't care. Those scenes should prove electric, like Smitts and Dexter last season.

Well the show has always been about Dexter's growth.

[Waaaaaaaalt]

Alright so I enjoyed this ep quite a bit. I think we all saw Lithgow's motivation coming but still enjoyable. I do wonder if maybe he was responsible for one or more of their deaths though. I like Dexter learning from Trinity, again knew it was coming but I still enjoyed seeing Dexter "open up" simply beause you don't really see it that much with Dexter. Unsure where they are going with Deb and Dexter's mom. I mean both mom and dad are dead so who was that on the phone?

Not sure about next week though. I don't know if I need another cop vs. Dexter storyline. Last time it only worked because of Doakes character and Lundy's.

[gravedigger]

Yeah, they telegraphed Trinity's motivation a few episodes back when he sat down for a drink with the family photo album.

I thought this episode was pretty great, almost like this was the real beginning of the season. I'm surprised they moved through Dexter through the family assimilation stuff so fast but I appreciate it. If I had to sit through one more scene with the increasingly shrill and needy Rita, I'd find a way to put her into garbage bags and dump her in the ocean.

[Jack Dnim]

Yeah, this show isn't really about twists. Things are usually just what they are.

I think Dexter should have moved his sister into the apartment, it was the obvious out, or at least it would have bought him some time to mull over where to put the stuff.

They have such obnoxiously colored houses in Fake Miami, even sheds.

[Randolph Carter]

Was it really John Lithgow who shot Lundy? Trinity is only supposed to kill three people, he'd be breaking his own code?

Also, don't you think it's time that Masuka had a subplot of his own?
I wanna find out more about his sexual perversions. Like, did he really go to a donkey show in Tijuana when he a vacation a couple of episodes ago?

[Jack Dnim]

Dexter has a code to keep him from going kill happy. Trinity does not have a code, and did what Dexter would probably have done to Doakes if he wasn't a superhero with the power of murder.

Trinity's ritual is to kill three people at a time, that doesn't mean he can't kill more, or kill people unrelated to the ritual. It's just once started he'll likely be compelled to finish the cycle, and besides being caught that's probably all the more reason to kill Lundy.

[Randolph Carter]

Or maybe Debras boyfriend found out that she was cheating on him and shot Lundy.

[stelios]

Wasn't Dexter's big epiphany in a previous episode that he would do everything to protect his family? I take it that would mean going outside his code to get someone that threatened to expose him and therefore hurt his family. Assuming Trinity doesn't even have any kind of code like Dexter, I don't think killing Lundy would be out of the question. I still have Anton as a second possibility though. And hot reporter chick gives me bad vibes, too.

[Waaaaaaaalt]

Originally Posted by Jack Dnim

Dexter has a code to keep him from going kill happy. Trinity does not have a code, and did what Dexter would probably have done to Doakes if he wasn't a superhero with the power of murder.

OK that was funny, thank you.

Originally Posted by Randolph Carter

Or maybe Debras boyfriend found out that she was cheating on him and shot Lundy.

I like that idea and it would be a great reveal but ehh it doesn't seem likely. Hope Dexter suprises me though.

Originally Posted by stelios

And hot reporter chick gives me bad vibes, too.

Really? I think she just gives most erections.

[stelios]

Originally Posted by Waaaaaaaalt

Really? I think she just gives most erections.

She's up to something. I'm sure of it. I just don't know if she's only fucking a few more news stories out of Quinn or if it's more.

[Humanoid]

The person who gives me bad vibes is Trinity's son.

Anyway, kudos to the show for managing to make me somewhat interested in Deb's character. Carpenter's been showing some solid growth this season.

[Mangy]

Another good episode . . . I think this season has been much better than last.

Also, don't you think it's time that Masuka had a subplot of his own?

The biggest problem with this show is that the entire supporting cast is paper-thin, although it seems like the writers are at least trying to address that this year (The Maria / Angel stuff does nothing for me). Carpenter's breakdown in the parking lot feels like the first time a supporting character has even had a chance to shine like that.

[Syd]

Just want to comment on last week's episode...

"Hm, you know what, I think I'm gonna fuck with Lithgow, just to see what happens."

-Five seconds later-

"Whoa! Bad Idea!"

[Moltisanti]

Glad they finally had him screw up like this. They flirted with it last year but that was still pretty much self-defense. This should mess Dex up good.

[Doc Happenin]

It was bound to happen sooner or later. I had this odd feeling the entire time that Dex had not done his diligence on Farrow as well as he should have. As much as ghost Harry sometimes seems a bit much, I loved, nay, lurved the look he gave Dexter when it's found out Farrow didn't kill anyone. Disappointed, ashamed and angry all at the same time.

This show rebounded like hell since last season, in my opinion.

[stelios]

That's the show hitting its stride. And the next one seems really good.

[Disciple_72]

Originally Posted by Doc Happenin

As much as ghost Harry sometimes seems a bit much, I loved, nay, lurved the look he gave Dexter when it's found out Farrow didn't kill anyone. Disappointed, ashamed and angry all at the same time.

It almost looked like he had tears in his eyes. Great stuff. I also loved his touched "thank you" when Dexter told his sister that the poonhound thing "doesn't sound like Harry". Other great things about the episode (apart from the fantastic ending): the campfire scene, the deer scene, and Dexter's "what did I like to do when I was 12? Hmmm, moving on."

So obviously this must be the last straw for Family Man Dexter, him realizing he just can't have his cake and eat it too.

[Doc Happenin]

My only real complaint: what the hell kind of weak ass camping bullshit was that? You could see Miami! Gah.

[Waaaaaaaalt]

Yes I can't believe they finally did it! I was wondering when they would finally have him slip up like this. Although I still wonder where they are going with Quinn chasing Dexter around. That needs to stop right now. That character isn't anywhere near what Doakes and Lundy were.

[Anjin]

I'm kind of hoping that Quinn ends up killing an innocent so Dexter can perform his magic on him... that character needs to be killed off sooner rather than later.

[Cameron Hughes]

They're in tricky territory here. The way the premise was originally set up, Dexter doesn't kill the guilty out of any moral sense. He kills the guilty because those are the people Harry taught him he could kill with the least chance of repercussions.

Giving Dexter a crisis of conscience sort of undermines one of the basic underpinnings of the show -- that Dexter has no conscience.

What's interesting is that The Harry Code is all about killing bad guys which fulfill's Harry's sick need for justice and also taught that way because they'll be less missed.



So what happens when Dexter gets away with this and realizes the second part of Harry's training is bullshit? I've been hoping they go in this direction since he considered killing that lawyer last year.


It seems like that may actually be where they're going with it. When Dexter said he wanted to learn from Trinity, imaginary Harry told him the whole point of the Code was to keep Dexter from being like Trinity(And less likely to get caught. Which is bullshit since Trinity's been doing it for 30 years) and Dexter basically lays out all the stuff he's already decided is nonsense in the Code.

Dexter realizing he doesn't have a good reason not to kill anyone he feels like could be a really interesting way to take the story.

[Syd]

Originally Posted by Cameron Hughes

Dexter realizing he doesn't have a good reason not to kill anyone he feels like could be a really interesting way to take the story.

God I hope they flirt with this, its too good to pass up.

And I love how Trinity is really just fucking nuts. Not cool and methodical at all, just really emotional.

Casting did too good of a job though...that guy Dexter killed was a complete asshole.

[stelios]

I don't think that Dexter will be all that broken up about killing the photographer. At least if he's actually a sociopath and not just some messed up kid that Harry made worse. He's going to expect the sky to come crashing down on him for a while and when this doesn't happen he will realize he can kill any one. And I'd love to see where the show would go and where the audience's sympathies would end up with an unrestrained Dexter running around.

[Waaaaaaaalt]

Well they kind of flirted with that very idea in season one. The Ice Truck killer AKA Brian Dexter's brother tried to get him to kill that seurity guard. He didn't do it of course but he was very strongly tempted. At the end of that episode he learned that he was a different kind of monster. However now that he has actually crossed that line and felt what it was like who knows.

However the only problem with that is that Dexter isn't exactly a true sociopath. Dexter says time and time again that he doesn't have feelings but that isn't exactly true. From season 1 to now we have seen him grow emotionally. Don't get me wrong we aren't exactly talking leaps and bounds and he still isn't and probably will never be where everyone else but there still is growth. Although it's growth that he doesn't even really recognize yet can recognize in Lithgow. If you watch some of the behind he scenes stuff the producers and writers talk a bit about that.

[Farsight]

The crisis won't be one of conscience, it'll be because he got sloppy. He violated his own code because he was distracted by his family and by Trinity. All his fears that he couldn't handle juggling all those balls in the air just came true.

We won't see him shed a tear over the guy he offed, but I bet we see a much harsher conflict between "Domestic Dexter" and "Dark Passenger"/Harry.

[Syd]

The more I think about it, it was rather brilliant making the photographer a complete asshole. Hell, the whole episode I was routing for him to get killed, much like Dexter. I love that he was in a rush and had he enough time probably would've kept trying to get a confession out of him (does Dexter do that every time, make them confess first before he kills them?)

[Teitr Styrr]

Not always. I mean, in the course of talking to them before he stabs them they usually do admit guilt, but it's not important. Until now, Dexter has always known 100% that he was killing the right person. Whether by the testing he does in his lab, or personal experience with the victim.

[Randolph Carter]

What was that thing that Trinity was building? A coffin?
Looked too small to fit an adult.

[Humanoid]

Yeah, that was a coffin though I didn't notice it being very small.

Good ep, but I'm worried about Quinn chasing Dexter around. Hopefully the writers are smart enough not to turn this into another Doakes/Lundy situation. As long as they FINALLY nail the ending, this could be the best season yet.

Also, am I the only one who got a really bad feeling when Dexter put the shredded pic of his mother in his drawer?

[stelios]

Now that was interesting. So who was that killed Lundy? Anton's too tall too. Either the reporter chick is completely psycho and is making her own stories or there's someone else involved in all this. I have my suspicions, but I don't know what would be considered a spoiler.

[Waaaaaaaalt]

Yes that was a good episode. The preview for next week is making it look like the reporter so....I hope Showtime didn't just ruin it. Also I don't love the Quinn vs. Dexter storyline but I would love to see Dexter beat the shit out of Quinn, ya know Quinn underestimating the lab geek and everything. Also what in the hell does he plan to do with the info that Dexter cheated on Lila? She already knew since season 2 I believe.

[Farsight]

The reporter has little motive to shoot a cop and an ex-fed. That would be odd.

I'm going to bet it was Trinity's wife or one of his kids. It would make sense, and the idea of Trinity not having been successful at hiding what he is from his family would feed into Dexter's story really well...

[Jack Dnim]

That's what I was thinking. Dexter has known him for how long, and how many meltdowns has Trinity had?

[gravedigger]

Originally Posted by stelios

Now that was interesting. So who was that killed Lundy? Anton's too tall too. Either the reporter chick is completely psycho and is making her own stories or there's someone else involved in all this. I have my suspicions, but I don't know what would be considered a spoiler.

It's not a spoiler if it's speculation. Who do you think did it?

I think the reporter makes sense. She's short and is obviously under pressure to get some big stories. Plus she's been shown to be pretty opportunistic.

Based on the scenes from the preview..........I don't see a member of Trinity's family as being the shooter. They seem pretty scared of the guy and I would think, if they know his true nature, they'd WANT him to get caught so he'd be out of their lives.

[stelios]

I think it may be the son. Trinity may have his own Harry/Dexter thing going. Remember the car being a gift for a job well done, a couple of episodes ago, right after the shooting? Just speculating.

[Tomas Mejor]

Which would blend quite well with Dexter being a new father and all. I like this line of thought very much. Hope the show doesn't go there.

[Disciple_72]

I don't think Trinity is doing the Harry/Dexter thing, but I do think the son shot Lundy. He knows what his father is and was trying to protect him. That would make the most sense.