Poster Puts Damon Back in The GREENgrass ZONE

[David Oliver]

http://chud.com/articles/articles/21...ONE/Page1.html

[mcnooj82]

If you read the poster a certain (read: me being dumb) way, it looks like Greengrass has directed 2 films called:

The Bourne, The Bourne

&

Supremacy Ultimatum

Sounds respectable to me!

(sorry)

A solid poster in my eyes.

[ForsakenNoMore]

“Chief Warrant Officer Roy Miller is done following orders.”

OK, Jason Bourne.

[Fizzgig]

Sure, they're going out of their way to make this look like it's another Bourne film, but I have no problem with that. It's a new Damon & Greengrass action film, I'm sure I'll enjoy it.

[Princess Kate]

I find this poster mind bogglingly dull. It's a black and white photo of Mr Damon, with the title of the film stamped on. There are so many cool things you could do for this poster. Given the cool title of the book and the slightly less cool title of the film, you'd have thought they could work in the color green somewhere. I'm very excited for the film, and a bad poster doesn't change that. However, this is a bad poster

[DarthLowbudget@]

At least it's not another fucking floating head poster. In this day and age a simple black and white photo as the poster for a major studio picture is practically a stroke of creative genius, comparatively speaking.

[mcnooj82]

Originally Posted by DarthLowbudget@

At least it's not another fucking floating head poster. In this day and age a simple black and white photo as the poster for a major studio picture is practically a stroke of creative genius, comparatively speaking.

I was thinking the same thing for this one and the Green Zone poster. Neither are spectacular, but the fact that it doesn't feel so damned generic seems a feat in itself.

The lack of a werewolf is kinda odd. Especially these days. Perhaps it's a teaser poster? But isn't it too late to just have a teaser poster at this point?

[agracru]

Originally Posted by mcnooj82

I was thinking the same thing for this one and the Green Zone poster. Neither are spectacular, but the fact that it doesn't feel so damned generic seems a feat in itself.

The lack of a werewolf is kinda odd. Especially these days. Perhaps it's a teaser poster? But isn't it too late to just have a teaser poster at this point?

I think you got your threads crossed there, Nooj!

I'll be honest, this movie's poster can be as dull as it wants; the trailer can be as Bourne-esque as it wants. It doesn't really matter because the Damon/Greengrass tag-team is almost a surefire way to get me into a theater.

[Fizzgig]

Originally Posted by agracru

I think you got your threads crossed there, Nooj!

He's right though - misleading as it would be, a werewolf would definitely improve this poster.

[mcnooj82]

Oh, whoops. Hahahahaha.

[agracru]

Originally Posted by Fizzgig

He's right though - misleading as it would be, a werewolf would definitely improve this poster.

Well, that goes without saying.

[Princess Kate]

Originally Posted by mcnooj82

The lack of a werewolf is kinda odd. Especially these days. Perhaps it's a teaser poster? But isn't it too late to just have a teaser poster at this point?

You're right, the lack of Werewolves in this Iraq War movie poster is odd...Hm...



Someone missed Dog Soldiers, I guess?

[Ray Abed]

My new wallpaper.

This one's all about Damon's expression. You can tell he means business.

[PsycheOut00]

Not only that. He's Done following orders.

...Which is as misleading as a tagline can be. That poster definitely needed more of Gleeson, Kinnear, Ryan, Isaacs or Irak to capture the movie's essence. Not unlike the Ocean's Eleven 1-sheets, but still.

[Bucho]

It's not blowing my mind but I dig it. It sure re-convinces me that I should disobey any orders I'm ever given that I should fuck with Matt Damon.

[Wolff]

No Doug Liman love on Chud?

[PsycheOut00]

Personally I think he has this "Fuck, I just missed the bus by THIS!" face, but whatever.

Speaking of faces, Damon has a great reaction in the movie when he's unexpectedly cold-clocked by Jason Isaacs during their 1st meet. One that could launch a thousand .gifs, I might add.

[Ray Abed]

Originally Posted by Wolff

No Doug Liman love on Chud?

THE BOURNE IDENTITY might be my fave of the trilogy, though it's soooooo close between all three. Great balance of romance and action that Greengrass' entries lack. In terms of pure action, THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM can't be beat.

As a director, Liman is no Greengrass. Their resumes say it all.

[Bucho]

Originally Posted by Ray Abed

THE BOURNE IDENTITY might be my fave of the trilogy, though it's soooooo close between all three. Great balance of romance and action that Greengrass' entries lack. In terms of pure action, THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM can't be beat.

As a director, Liman is no Greengrass. Their resumes say it all.

You're dead right Ray, Identity is still the best but career-wise Greengrass has made much more interesting and moving work than Doug Liman has. The Bourne sequels are great fun but are never quite as moving as that first film, and at times Greengrass's grasp of the shakycam fight scenes slips too far and actually reduces the impact of the hits for me. I think Liman was at the very top of his game with Identity, and that script is an absolute cracker, so within the series he manages to edge out the better director.

[mcnooj82]

Ehhhhh... Identity never caught my fancy the way Supremacy did. I didn't catch it in theaters and saw it on DVD later on and found it forgettable. For me, the sequels do a lot to big up Liman's first. Supremacy was the movie that got me onboard with Bourne as a series.

[Bucho]

I don't get that at all Nooj but I think the majority of fans agree with you. Have you seen Identity more than once though? Of course it's not that anyone should have to see a film more than once to appreciate it but given that's the film that establishes the character most strongly, and you clearly like the character, I can't see how forgettable is a word that you could use for it. All I can guess is that you must have been very tired, and hungover, and suffering an eye infection and a migraine, and you'd just lost your job, and you'd been in a car wreck that day, and your girlfriend (or boyfriend, makes no diff to me) had just left you when you saw it, and your computer had just gone on the fritz, and your landlord was squeezing you for two months rent, and your apartment's heating quit right in the middle of winter, and you had a bad case of salmonella at the time. And a rash on the palms of your hands. Maybe?

[mcnooj82]

My shitty life should have no bearing on the quality of a movie!!

Hehe, I have seen it more than once. Greengrass' movies caught my fancy for reasons even I can't really explain. It's true... Liman's movie had a little more story going on with a lead character that was perhaps more relatable? You discovered aspects of him at the same time he did. Everything was fresher the first time around. All of that is true, but in the end it just felt like any other action thriller. Like any other movie.

I wouldn't be surprised if it had a LOT to do with the timing and the novelty of it, but Greengrass' approach to Bourne was just so striking and immediate. Completely stripped down. And gave the centerpiece car chase for John Powell to score instead of laying on some Oakenfeld track. Pfft!!!

[Ray Abed]

Another reason why IDENTITY is probably my fave: the variety of backdrops. So beautifully shot. The nighttime scenes in Paris are absolutely breathtaking to behold.

The drama and Damon's portrayal ultimately make IDENTITY an intense journey. It's more intimate than Greengrass' sequels. Liman really did focus on Bourne's psychological transformation. And like I said before, the romance in this film was welcome. It didn't feel flimsy or tacked-on.

[PsycheOut00]

Originally Posted by Bucho

I don't get that at all Nooj but I think the majority of fans agree with you. Have you seen Identity more than once though? Of course it's not that anyone should have to see a film more than once to appreciate it but given that's the film that establishes the character most strongly, and you clearly like the character, I can't see how forgettable is a word that you could use for it. All I can guess is that you must have been very tired, and hungover, and suffering an eye infection and a migraine, and you'd just lost your job, and you'd been in a car wreck that day, and your girlfriend (or boyfriend, makes no diff to me) had just left you when you saw it, and your computer had just gone on the fritz, and your landlord was squeezing you for two months rent, and your apartment's heating quit right in the middle of winter, and you had a bad case of salmonella at the time. And a rash on the palms of your hands. Maybe?

Well, I might've seen Identity 8-10 times (probably one of my most rewatched movies ever - there was a time it even felt compulsive) and it's still the one I least like of the three.

While I agree on the psychological aspects Ray mentions and the realism of it all*, the thing reeks of reshoots and rejiggers every step of the way, starting with a 3rd act that is still a bit anticlimactic considering what's come before. Dunno if you got the chance to read the script's 2000 Paris draft that's online, but Tony Gilroy's work, while still one of my fave writers ever, is seriously lacking and combined with Liman's inability to make a coherent picture while on set (something the equally chaotic Greengrass at least has a hold on), makes for a movie that's more the sum of its parts than something truly original or revolutionary. That said, yes, Damon and the rest of the actors are top-notch, the setpieces are grandiose while realistic (save for said Treadstone HQ shootout at the end), the movie beautiful to look at, and John Powell's score nothing short of brilliant. Oh, yes, and the flick immensely rewatchable.

That said, Bourne's supremacy lies, ironically enough, at the 2nd picture. His arc is more defined, the story is tighter -even after another chaotic shoot, though nothing like the 3rd movie, which is a miracle it ended up being so superb- and the overall experience is more satisfying this time around. And since I already mentioned the score, I'll just add Powell's one for TBS remains one of my favorites of this decade.

* Nothing says spy movie like the CIA offices pictured as every other office in the world, no state of the art tech or supercomputers everywhere.

[Ray Abed]

Ultimately, it's like choosing your fave child from my point-of-view. Can't be done. My appreciation for THE BOURNE SUPREMACY was the least of the three at one time, but I watched it a month or so ago, and the experience felt refreshing and new all over again.

This could be my fave trilogy of films...ever. So all three films would vie in my top 10 faves of all-time.

[Bucho]

Originally Posted by PsycheOut00

Well, I might've seen Identity 8-10 times (probably one of my most rewatched movies ever - there was a time it even felt compulsive) and it's still the one I least like of the three.

While I agree on the psychological aspects Ray mentions and the realism of it all*, the thing reeks of reshoots and rejiggers every step of the way, starting with a 3rd act that is still a bit anticlimactic considering what's come before. Dunno if you got the chance to read the script's 2000 Paris draft that's online, but Tony Gilroy's work, while still one of my fave writers ever, is seriously lacking and combined with Liman's inability to make a coherent picture while on set (something the equally chaotic Greengrass at least has a hold on), makes for a movie that's more the sum of its parts than something truly original or revolutionary. That said, yes, Damon and the rest of the actors are top-notch, the setpieces are grandiose while realistic (save for said Treadstone HQ shootout at the end), the movie beautiful to look at, and John Powell's score nothing short of brilliant. Oh, yes, and the flick immensely rewatchable.

That said, Bourne's supremacy lies, ironically enough, at the 2nd picture. His arc is more defined, the story is tighter -even after another chaotic shoot, though nothing like the 3rd movie, which is a miracle it ended up being so superb- and the overall experience is more satisfying this time around. And since I already mentioned the score, I'll just add Powell's one for TBS remains one of my favorites of this decade.

* Nothing says spy movie like the CIA offices pictured as every other office in the world, no state of the art tech or supercomputers everywhere.

Nice post Psyche, I don't have much of an issue with any of what you say. I think my preference, like Ray's, comes down to how personal and intimate Identity is because of the circumstances of Bourne's developing mental state and his relationship with Marie, and (as much as it hurts to say it for some reason) I think Greengrass overcooks the shakycam fight scenes. I've seen each of the films three times and each time I keep expecting to come out of the series agreeing with your line of thinking but instead I always end up being the most exhilarated and moved by Identity.

What it was that hit me about Nooj's comment was that he found it forgettable. I've heard plenty of peeps say it's not their favourite of the great trilogy, but forgettable? That just doesn't compute with me, it shorts something in my brain to even contemplate it, and led me to wonder whether the circumstances of his first look might have had something to do with it. Then again, it's also common knowledge that Nooj is more than a little crazy, what with him being a talented artist an all, so maybe that's part of it too? Nooj? Help me out here buddy.

[mcnooj82]

Just one of those things. I fully admit that in a parallel timeline, I would've seen the first movie in theaters and LOVED it. Or for whatever reason, it didn't click for me at all*. I think everyone has those movies where they don't know why it didn't click for them.

*'at all' is harsh. It's a perfectly enjoyable and watchable movie.

[Bucho]

I get you dude, I do understand it really - any movie fan does have those much-loved films that don't click personally for some reason. We're all more than a little crazy too.

[mcnooj82]

Bucho! Check out this weird Top 100 list. Specifically the Top 2nd entry. You'll love it!

http://entertainment.timesonline.co....fset=96&page=9

[Bucho]

Haha, yeah there's some whacky stuff in there. I like seeing any Bourne movie big-upped like that but I can't see myself agreeing too much with someone who puts Wedding Crashers and Little Miss Sunshine in their list but no Oldboy or Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.

[Ray Abed]

Hey, if we all loved the same films, the world would be pretty boring, right?

[Bucho]

Yep, if everyone loved Pluto Nash as much as I do the world would be in an even worse state than it already is.