Knockout Knockout: The Knockoutening

[Dr. Necessiter]

This thread is to determine the course of future CHUD DRAFT knockouts. The top three will become our next three genres for cinematic knockout. Rules are the same as always. 5 votes per day. Can't Vote twice in a row.

The two largest potential knockouts are "Crime" and "Drama". A vote for either of those two means another huuuuge knockout, perhaps even bigger than comedy...

For smaller knockouts, I've sliced the larger Category of "Drama" into a couple of sub-genres: Epic/Historical (which would include certain war films, costume dramas, period pieces, etc), Romance...

I've also included a subset of the "Crime" category: "Mystery" (which includes suspense/thriller films, certain crime films, some detective films and police procedurals, etc...any film in which the central momentum of the film resolves around an element of mystery).

Of course, there are overlaps in most genres...A film like Se7en, for instance, would be included in the "Crime" category and the "Mystery" category. A film like Hoop Dreams might be in the Sports category or the Documentary category, etc...

For the purpose of this knockout, a "War" film can be defined as any film in which one in which central focus includes organized military engagement and said engagement constitutes the primary setting for the film's narrative develpment. I suppose this means that "Return of the King" would qualify. I don't know, we may have to reconsider this genre or perhaps try something like "American War Films" which would include only films which center on Wars involving the US military. That way, we could keep Red Dawn. :)

Anyway, if you want War films, vote for it and we'll sort it out in discussion.

Also, cheerleading is a sport. Get over it.

John Carpenter's The Thing could be in them all.

Western [3]
War [3]
Crime/Gangster [3]
Animation [3]
Sports [3]
Action/Adventure [3]
Drama [3]
Romance [3]
Documentary [3]
Epic/Historical [3]
Cult Films [3]
Independent [3]
Mystery [3]
Musical [3]

[Anyawatchin Angel]

As for wars-how about real ones. or else star wars counts

Western [3]
War [4]
Crime/Gangster [2]
Animation [3]
Sports [3]
Action/Adventure [3]
Drama [3]
Romance [3]
Documentary [3]
Epic/Historical [3]
Cult Films [3]
Independent [3]
Mystery [3]
Musical [3]

war +
crime -

[Richard Dickson]

Western [3]
War [3]
Crime/Gangster [3]
Animation [4]
Sports [3]
Action/Adventure [3]
Drama [3]
Romance [3]
Documentary [3]
Epic/Historical [3]
Cult Films [3]
Independent [2]
Mystery [4]
Musical [2]

Animation +1
Independent -1

[Richard Dickson]

Dammit, I'm trying to move my post after Hewlett's and it keeps putting me ahead of him.

[Hewlett]

A knockout to determine the next knockout seems a bit ridiculous when a poll would have worked just as well, but I'll play along.

Western [3]
War [4]
Crime/Gangster [2]
Animation [4]
Sports [3]
Action/Adventure [3]
Drama [3]
Romance [3]
Documentary [3]
Epic/Historical [3]
Cult Films [3]
Independent [1]
Mystery [4]
Musical [2]

Mystery +1
Musical -1

I hate musicals.

EDIT: Hahahahahahaha! You've gotta love that server!

EDIT2: I edited my post to reflect Anya and Richard's picks.

[Moltisanti]

Western [3]
War [4]
Crime/Gangster [2]
Animation [3]
Sports [3]
Action/Adventure [4]
Drama [3]
Romance [3]
Documentary [3]
Epic/Historical [3]
Cult Films [3]
Independent [2]
Mystery [4]
Musical [1]

Action +1
Musical -1

[Uth Vaspetad]

Western [3]
War [4]
Crime/Gangster [2]
Animation [4]
Sports [3]
Action/Adventure [5]
Drama [3]
Romance [3]
Documentary [3]
Epic/Historical [3]
Cult Films [3]
Independent [2]
Mystery [4]

Action +
Musical KO

[Richard Dickson]

Animation should be at 4, and this whole thing should be a poll because I'm gonna get frustrated with this server nonsense.

[Anyawatchin Angel]

Western [3]
War [5]
Crime/Gangster [2]
Animation [4]
Sports [3]
Action/Adventure [5]
Drama [3]
Romance [2]
Documentary [3]
Epic/Historical [3]
Cult Films [3]
Independent [2]
Mystery [4]

war +
romance -

[Moltisanti]

Western [3]
War [5]
Crime/Gangster [2]
Animation [4]
Sports [4]
Action/Adventure [5]
Drama [3]
Romance [2]
Documentary [2]
Epic/Historical [3]
Cult Films [3]
Independent [2]
Mystery [4]

Sports +1
Doc -1

[Anjin]

Western [3]
War [5]
Crime/Gangster [2]
Animation [5]
Sports [3]
Action/Adventure [5]
Drama [3]
Romance [2]
Documentary [2]
Epic/Historical [3]
Cult Films [3]
Independent [2]
Mystery [4]

Animation +1
Sports -1

[Anyawatchin Angel]

server

[Patrick Ripoll]

Western [3]
War [5]
Crime/Gangster [2]
Animation [5]
Sports [3]
Action/Adventure [5]
Drama [2]
Romance [2]
Documentary [3]
Epic/Historical [3]
Cult Films [3]
Independent [2]
Mystery [4]

-1 Drama
+1 Documentary

[Anyawatchin Angel]

Western [3]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [2]
Animation [5]
Sports [3]
Action/Adventure [5]
Drama [2]
Romance [1]
Documentary [3]
Epic/Historical [3]
Cult Films [3]
Independent [2]
Mystery [4]

war +
rom-

[Anjin]

Western [3]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [2]
Animation [6]
Sports [2]
Action/Adventure [5]
Drama [2]
Romance [1]
Documentary [3]
Epic/Historical [3]
Cult Films [3]
Independent [2]
Mystery [4]

Animation +1
Sports -1

[EvilTwin]

Western [3]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [3]
Animation [6]
Sports [2]
Action/Adventure [5]
Drama [2]
Romance [1]
Documentary [3]
Epic/Historical [3]
Cult Films [2]
Independent [2]
Mystery [4]

Cult Films -1
Crime +1

[Patrick Ripoll]

Western [3]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [3]
Animation [6]
Sports [2]
Action/Adventure [5]
Drama [1]
Romance [1]
Documentary [4]
Epic/Historical [3]
Cult Films [2]
Independent [2]
Mystery [4]

-1 Drama
+1 Docu

[EvilTwin]

Western [3]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [4]
Animation [6]
Sports [2]
Action/Adventure [5]
Drama [1]
Romance [1]
Documentary [4]
Epic/Historical [3]
Cult Films [1]
Independent [2]
Mystery [4]

Crime +1
Cult Films -1

[Moltisanti]

Western [3]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [4]
Animation [6]
Sports [3]
Action/Adventure [5]
Drama [0]
Romance [1]
Documentary [4]
Epic/Historical [3]
Cult Films [1]
Independent [2]
Mystery [4]

Sports +1
Drama KO

[EvilTwin]

Western [3]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [5]
Animation [6]
Sports [3]
Action/Adventure [5]
Romance [0] KO
Documentary [4]
Epic/Historical [3]
Cult Films [1]
Independent [2]
Mystery [4]

Crime +1
Romance -1 KO'd

[Moltisanti]

Western [3]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [5]
Animation [6]
Sports [4]
Action/Adventure [5]
Documentary [4]
Epic/Historical [3]
Cult Films [KO]
Independent [2]
Mystery [4]

Sports +1
Cult KO

[EvilTwin]

Western [3]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [6]
Animation [6]
Sports [4]
Action/Adventure [5]
Documentary [4]
Epic/Historical [3]
Independent [1]
Mystery [4]

Crime +1
Independent -1

[Moltisanti]

Western [3]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [5]
Animation [5]
Sports [5]
Action/Adventure [5]
Documentary [5]
Epic/Historical [3]
Independent [1]
Mystery [4]

Sports +1
Animation -1

[EvilTwin]

Server.

[Patrick Ripoll]

Western [3]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [5]
Animation [6]
Sports [4]
Action/Adventure [5]
Documentary [5]
Epic/Historical [3]
Independent [1]
Mystery [4]

-1 Crime
+1 Docu

[EvilTwin]

Freakin' server.

Western [3]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [6]
Animation [6]
Sports [4]
Action/Adventure [5]
Documentary [5]
Epic/Historical [3]
Independent [0] KO'd
Mystery [4]

Independent -1 KO'd
Crime +1

Done for the day. I certainly won't be upset with whichever comes out of this.

[Patrick Ripoll]

Western [3]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [5]
Animation [6]
Sports [4]
Action/Adventure [5]
Documentary [6]
Epic/Historical [3]
Mystery [4]

-1 Crime
+1 Docu

[Brian Wehman]

Western [3]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [5]
Animation [6]
Sports [5]
Action/Adventure [5]
Documentary [6]
Epic/Historical [2]
Mystery [4]

-1 Epic
+1 Sports

[Brian Wehman]

this whole thing should be a poll because I'm gonna get frustrated with this server nonsense.
While a poll would be simpler and less frustrating, it doesn't allow for bickering, frustration, strategy, gang-banging, and hurt feelings - and that is what a good knockout is all about.

[Spike Marshall]

Western [3]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [6]
Animation [6]
Sports [4]
Action/Adventure [5]
Documentary [6]
Epic/Historical [2]
Mystery [4]

Gangster + 1
Sport - 1

[thejumbo]

Western [3]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [6]
Animation [7]
Sports [4]
Action/Adventure [5]
Documentary [6]
Epic/Historical [1]
Mystery [4]

Animation +1
Epic -1

[Anjin]

ick.. server fuckup. Ignore this post.

[Spike Marshall]

Western [3]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [7]
Animation [7]
Sports [3]
Action/Adventure [5]
Documentary [6]
Epic/Historical [1]
Mystery [4]

Sports - 1
Gangster + 1

[Anjin]

Take Two:

Western [3]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [7]
Animation [8]
Sports [2]
Action/Adventure [5]
Documentary [6]
Epic/Historical [1]
Mystery [4]

Animation +1
Sports -1

[juan23]

Western [3]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [7]
Animation [7]
Sports [2]
Action/Adventure [6]
Documentary [6]
Epic/Historical [1]
Mystery [4]

Action +1
Animation -1

[Spike Marshall]

Western [3]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [8]
Animation [7]
Sports [1]
Action/Adventure [6]
Documentary [6]
Epic/Historical [1]
Mystery [4]

Sports - 1
Gang + 1

[Ratty]

Western [2]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [8]
Animation [8]
Sports [1]
Action/Adventure [6]
Documentary [6]
Epic/Historical [1]
Mystery [4]

Action/adventure (+1)
Western (-1)

[Spike Marshall]

Western [1]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [9]
Animation [8]
Sports [0] KO
Action/Adventure [7]
Documentary [6]
Epic/Historical [1]
Mystery [4]

Gangster + 1
Sport - 1

This should be right

[Anjin]

Damned server!!! Ignore this!

[Patrick Ripoll]

Western [1]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [9]
Animation [8]
Action/Adventure [7]
Documentary [7]
Epic/Historical [KO]
Mystery [4]

-1 Epic-KO
+1 Docu

And I'm ouuuuuuuuuuuuutttttaaaaaa heeeeeeeerrrrrrreeee

edited to match Spike's 'right' score.

[Anjin]

Fuck this... the server keeps putting my posts one or two posts BEHIND the ones I'm responding to. I'll try back later :(

[juan23]

Western [1]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [9]
Animation [7]
Action/Adventure [8]
Documentary [7]
Mystery [4]

Animation -1
Action +1

[Spike Marshall]

Western [2]
War [6]
Crime/Gangster [10]
Animation [7]
Action/Adventure [7]
Documentary [7]
Epic/Historical [KO]
Mystery [3]

Mystery - 1

Gangster + 1

And I'm tapped..

[Anyawatchin Angel]

Western [2]
War [7]
Crime/Gangster [10]
Animation [7]
Action/Adventure [7]
Documentary [7]
Mystery [2]

war +
myst -

[Robert K.]

Western [2]
War [7]
Crime/Gangster [10]
Animation [7]
Action/Adventure [8]
Documentary [7]
Mystery [1]

Action/Adv +1
Mystery -1

[Uth Vaspetad]

sigh...

[juan23]

Western [2]
War [7]
Crime/Gangster [10]
Animation [6]
Action/Adventure [9]
Documentary [7]
Mystery [1]

Action +1
Animation -1

[Uth Vaspetad]

Western [1]
War [7]
Crime/Gangster [10]
Animation [6]
Action/Adventure [10]
Documentary [7]
Mystery [1]

Action +
Western -

[juan23]

Western [1]
War [7]
Crime/Gangster [10]
Animation [5]
Action/Adventure [11]
Documentary [7]
Mystery [1]

Action +
Ani -

[Uth Vaspetad]

War [7]
Crime/Gangster [10]
Animation [5]
Action/Adventure [12]
Documentary [7]
Mystery [1]

Action +
Western KO

[Diva]

War [6]
Crime/Gangster [10]
Animation [5]
Action/Adventure [12]
Documentary [8]
Mystery [1]

Docs +
War -

[Diva]

...

[Diva]

...

[Richard Dickson]

God-frelling dammit.

[juan23]

War [6]
Crime/Gangster [10]
Animation [4]
Action/Adventure [13]
Documentary [8]
Mystery [1]

Action +1
Ani -1

Later...

[Diva]

War [5]
Crime/Gangster [10]
Animation [4]
Action/Adventure [13]
Documentary [9]
Mystery [1]

Docs +1
War -1

[Richard Dickson]

War [5]
Crime/Gangster [10]
Animation [5]
Action/Adventure [12]
Documentary [9]
Mystery [1]

A/A -1
Animation +1

[Diva]

War [4]
Crime/Gangster [10]
Animation [5]
Action/Adventure [12]
Documentary [10]
Mystery [1]

War -
Docs +

[Arjen Rudd]

War [4]
Crime/Gangster [10]
Animation [6]
Action/Adventure [12]
Documentary [9]
Mystery [1]

Documentary -
Animation +

[Diva]

War [4]
Crime/Gangster [9]
Animation [6]
Action/Adventure [12]
Documentary [10]
Mystery [1]

Doc +
Crime -

[Diva]

...

[Diva]

War [3]
Crime/Gangster [8]
Animation [6]
Action/Adventure [12]
Documentary [11]
Mystery [1]

Doc +
Crime -

This should be after Anya. And I'm out.

[Anyawatchin Angel]

War [5]
Crime/Gangster [10]
Animation [6]
Action/Adventure [12]
Documentary [8]
Mystery [1]

war +
doc -

[Starving Dog]

War [5]
Crime/Gangster [11]
Animation [6]
Action/Adventure [11]
Documentary [8]
Mystery [1]

Crime +1
Action -1

[Uth Vaspetad]

War [5]
Crime/Gangster [11]
Animation [6]
Action/Adventure [12]
Documentary [8]


Action +
Mystery -

[Richard Dickson]

War [5]
Crime/Gangster [11]
Animation [7]
Action/Adventure [11]
Documentary [8]

A/A -1
Animation +1

[Sharpel007]

War [5]
Crime/Gangster [11]
Animation [8]
Action/Adventure [11]
Documentary [7]

Doc -1
Animation +1

[Tom Magner]

War [6]
Crime/Gangster [11]
Animation [8]
Action/Adventure [11]
Documentary [6]

War +1
Doc -1

[Richard Dickson]

War [6]
Crime/Gangster [11]
Animation [9]
Action/Adventure [10]
Documentary [6]

A/A -1
Animation +1

[Uth Vaspetad]

War [6]
Crime/Gangster [11]
Animation [8]
Action/Adventure [11]
Documentary [6]

A/A +
Animation -

[Richard Dickson]

War [6]
Crime/Gangster [11]
Animation [9]
Action/Adventure [10]
Documentary [6]

A/A -1
Animation +1

[Tom Magner]

War [7]
Crime/Gangster [11]
Animation [8]
Action/Adventure [10]
Documentary [6]

War +1
Animation -1

[Flaparoo]

War [7]
Crime/Gangster [11]
Animation [9]
Action/Adventure [10]
Documentary [5]

- Documentary
+ Animation

[Tom Magner]

War [8]
Crime/Gangster [11]
Animation [9]
Action/Adventure [10]
Documentary [4]

War +1
Doc -1

[Judas Booth]

War [9]
Crime/Gangster [11]
Animation [9]
Action/Adventure [10]
Documentary [3]

War +1
Doc -1

[Flaparoo]

War [9]
Crime/Gangster [11]
Animation [10]
Action/Adventure [10]
Documentary [2]

- Documentary
+ Animation

[Greg David]

War [9]
Crime/Gangster [11]
Animation [11]
Action/Adventure [10]
Documentary [1]

- Documentary
+ Animation

[Brian Wehman]

War [9]
Crime/Gangster [11]
Animation [12]
Action/Adventure [10]


- Documentary KO!
+ Animation

[Tom Magner]

War [10]
Crime/Gangster [10]
Animation [12]
Action/Adventure [10]

War +1
Crime -1

[Anjin]

War [10]
Crime/Gangster [9]
Animation [13]
Action/Adventure [10]

Animation +1
Crime -1

[Greg David]

War [9]
Crime/Gangster [9]
Animation [14]
Action/Adventure [10]

Animation +1
War -1

[Anjin]

War [9]
Crime/Gangster [8]
Animation [15]
Action/Adventure [10]

Animation +1
Crime -1

[Starving Dog]

War [9]
Crime/Gangster [9]
Animation [14]
Action/Adventure [10]

Animation -1
Crime +1

[Tom Magner]

War [10]
Crime/Gangster [8]
Animation [14]
Action/Adventure [10]

War +1
Crime -1

[Greg David]

War [9]
Crime/Gangster [8]
Animation [15]
Action/Adventure [10]

Animation +1
War -1

[Justin Clark]

War [9]
Crime/Gangster [7]
Animation [16]
Action/Adventure [10]

Animation +1
Crime -1

[Richard Dickson]

War [9]
Crime/Gangster [7]
Animation [17]
Action/Adventure [9]

A/A -1
Animation +1

[Patrick Ripoll]

War [8]
Crime/Gangster [7]
Animation [18]
Action/Adventure [9]

+1 Animation
-1 War

[Anyawatchin Angel]

War [9]
Crime/Gangster [6]
Animation [18]
Action/Adventure [9]

war +
c/g -

[Ratty]

War [9]
Crime/Gangster [5]
Animation [18]
Action/Adventure [10]

Action/adventure (+1)
Crime (-1)

[Richard Dickson]

War [9]
Crime/Gangster [5]
Animation [19]
Action/Adventure [9]

A/A -1
Animation +1

[Patrick Ripoll]

War [8]
Crime/Gangster [5]
Animation [20]
Action/Adventure [9]

-1 War
+1 Animation

[Anyawatchin Angel]

War [9]
Crime/Gangster [4]
Animation [20]
Action/Adventure [9]

war +
c/g -

[juan23]

War [9]
Crime/Gangster [3]
Animation [20]
Action/Adventure [10]

action +
Crime -

[Patrick Ripoll]

War [8]
Crime/Gangster [3]
Animation [21]
Action/Adventure [10]

-1 War
+1 Animation

[Anyawatchin Angel]

War [9]
Crime/Gangster [2]
Animation [21]
Action/Adventure [10]

war +
c/g -

[Patrick Ripoll]

War [8]
Crime/Gangster [2]
Animation [22]
Action/Adventure [10]

-1 War
+1 Animation

[Anyawatchin Angel]

War [9]
Crime/Gangster [1]
Animation [22]
Action/Adventure [10]

war +
c/g -

[Anjin]

War [9]
Animation [23]
Action/Adventure [10]

Animation +1
Crime -1 (KO)

[Anyawatchin Angel]

War [10]
Animation [22]
Action/Adventure [10]

war +
a/a -

[Richard Dickson]

War [10]
Animation [23]
Action/Adventure [9]

A/A -1
Animation +1

[Hammerhead]

Ummm... animation isn't a genre, it's a technique. Like making a movie in color or widescreen or with puppets. But whatever.

[Uth Vaspetad]

I believe the list is done once we have the top 3.

[Arjen Rudd]

War [9]
Animation [24]
Action/Adventure [9]

Animation +
War -

Since when did we say this was a genre knockout?

[Hammerhead]

Since when did we say this was a genre knockout?

I'm just saying that the reason "Animation" is so far ahead is because there are animated war movies, animated action/adventure movies, animated musicals, animated porn, even animated documentaries. What's the criteria? What are people identifying as 'animation' that excludes the other categories? Smurfs?

[Greg David]

I'm just saying that the reason "Animation" is so far ahead is because there are animated war movies, animated action/adventure movies, animated musicals, animated porn, even animated documentaries. What's the criteria? What are people identifying as 'animation' that excludes the other categories? Smurfs?
Why does it matter? Picking the best animated movie is no more invalid than picking the best science fiction movie. Back to the Future, Alien, and 2001 can all be considered science fiction, but are extremely different in tone, mood, and subject. This is going to be a problem no matter what we pick.

[Anjin]

Bumping this one up because I was wondering if this next knockout is ever going to happen.

[Gabriel Williams]

Maybe you got stoned and you missed it.