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Embrodak
06-21-2004, 06:19 PM
LINK (http://xbox.ign.com/articles/523/523582p1.html)

From IGN.com
It appears that Microsoft, which launched Xbox in late 2001 after Sony's PlayStation 2 and Nintendo's GameCube consoles, will be the first company to unleash its next-generation home console. The tentatively codenamed "Xbox Next" or "Xbox 2" is set to receive a name revision before its release because Microsoft doesn't want consumers to assume it's inferior to PlayStation 3 based on end numerals, hasn't yet been given an official release date. But just because Microsoft isn't yet talking doesn't mean developers working on early "Xbox 2" development setups are so keen to keep quiet.

A major software company already prototyping software for Microsoft's "Xbox Next" told IGN today that the publisher "definitely aims to launch the console in North America for Christmas 2005." A November time frame was given. A European release will follow in 2006, said the source.
IGN contacted another software firm working currently working on "Xbox Next" software, who seconded the news. "Let's put it this way: A lot of developers crunching to get their games ready for a 2005 launch will be really pissed if Microsoft doesn't get it out by then."

Microsoft has moved quicker than Nintendo and Sony to get development studios preliminary next-generation prototyping hardware, another indication that the company hopes to get the jump on its competitors.

The "Xbox Next" will use PowerPC-based architecture similar to the chipset powering Apple's G5 computers. That being the case, Microsoft's early "Xbox Next" development kits have been little more than modified Apple G5 systems pre-packed with "Xbox 2" emulation software. "I heard [Apple CEO] Steve Jobs found it pretty ironic and funny that Microsoft has been shipping Apple systems to developers," one studio source joked to IGN on the subject.

Multiple software houses involved with "Xbox Next" development stand by rumors the console will not feature a hard drive, which would suggest that it might not be backward compatible with current Xbox software. "Microsoft needs to make money with this system and so it's going a pretty conservative route," an insider explained, adding, "but that doesn't mean the system is not powerful because it is."

Microsoft is hoping that consumers, drunk on hit Xbox games such as Halo and Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, will be eager to step into the next-generation of home consoles with the successor. "It's hoping the early arrival will not hurt it, but help it," said a development source. "It doesn't want to be another Sega Dreamcast, in other words. It wants to be a Sega Genesis."

Presented with this information, a spokesperson for Microsoft said that the company "does not comment on rumors or speculation."

The downside to launching "Xbox 2" in 2005, say insiders, is that it puts Microsoft in the position of being the first next-generation console to market, which historically also means it could be the least powerful of the three from a technical standpoint. Sony's PS2 is a perfect example of such early positioning.

Preliminary tech specs for Nintendo's Revolution (of which there are some half a dozen different versions, apparently) illustrate a console that is as powerful as "Xbox Next" in most respects. In fact, IBM and ATI, the two hardware makers responsible for the guts of "Xbox Next," are developing Revolution. Given another year development time, Nintendo's console could actually ship in 2006 as the more capable of the two hardware platforms.

Meanwhile, IBM and Sony are developing Cell, a proprietary, powerful new architecture that will be used in PlayStation 3. Some developers believe that Sony could delay the arrival of its next-generation console to as late as 2007 in order to create a Trojan horse for its budding Blu-Ray DVD technology, which promises to deliver high-definition DVDs into the living rooms of consumers, replacing current DVD-players.

Sony's Blu-Ray technology has one formidable hurdle to overcome: HD-DVD. This alternative format, backed by such electronics giants as NEC and Toshiba, is positioned to give Blu-Ray a run for its money. But HD-DVD could be squashed in the same way the DVD squashed DivX if Sony were to include Blu-Ray DVD-playback in PlayStation 3, instantly turning millions of gameplayers into Blu-Ray supporters.

Doing so would also give Sony a clear selling point over Microsoft's "Xbox Next" as the only console that could play true high-definition DVD out of the box.

Am I the only one who's not ready for a new console already? I'm totally happy with my Xbox and PS2 now, and I don't think I'm going to be ready to shell out another big chunk of chash for new system in a year and a half. If they would keep making good games for the systems, I could go until 2007 or so before I felt ready for another console. Maybe it's just me.

EDIT: If Sony is really planning on putting that Blu-Ray technology, expect the PS3 to have an astronomical price tag. I just read part of another article (http://dvd.ign.com/articles/524/524681p1.html) on IGNDVD that puts the current player for this stuff at about $4000. I don't think that the price would drop that much in the next 3 years that would keep the price of the PS3 competitive.

sorro
06-21-2004, 07:11 PM
Microsoft should make it backwards compatable, just because it would draw people in more - you have a launch library to some degree. Of course, with the PowerPC chip, that would make things difficult.

Sony definitely should use BRD for the PS3. While it may seem like it would be expensive (BRD reader/recorders are around 400,000 yen right now), the economies of scale Sony could get by using it for the PS3 would drive the price down quickly to where it would be nice and competitive. In addition, it would give them a leg up against HDDVD. They could make the PS3's storage capacity nigh unto unreachable AND make their next-gen disc the de facto standard all in one swoop.

Carl Cunningham
06-21-2004, 07:48 PM
Man, I hope Sony's scheming with BLU-RAY (if true) backfires and bites them in the ass... hard.

Fazer
06-21-2004, 08:00 PM
If ms is aiming for late 2005, that means summer 2006 at the earliest. I don't think it will ever happen. Frankly, xbox and ps2 are doing really well on their own.

And releasing a xbox2 that isnt backwards compatible = halo 2 multiplayer rebellion. Ppl still play halo now, who is to say halo 2 wont last even longer with xbox live capability. This could be a mistake for MS, and I dont think they will do it next christmas.

The Sphinx
06-21-2004, 10:00 PM
It Will Not Be Backwards Compatible. There are hard technical limits that would make it (nearly) impossible to emulate the XBox well, considering the hardware choices that have already been made for XBox 2. Continuing to ask for it is pointless.

And quite frankly, I'm glad. Consoles have historically been free from the hassles and compromises of building backwards compatibility into a system. The only two significant exceptions to this rule have been PS2 and the Gameboy systems, and each of those systems have paid a price for their compatibility. I say improve on your hardware and software design and throw out stuff that hasn't worked. With backwards compatibility you are basically maintaining all your past mistakes.

Carl Cunningham
06-21-2004, 10:27 PM
Backwards Compatibility would be nice, but I agree with Sphinx... I'd much rather the system be as good as it can be and sacrifice that luxury. Besides, it's not like I don't have my original Xbox anyway. So unless you are counting on trading in your current Xbox for a pittance against credit for XboxNext, what's the big deal?

Apparently, the issue with backwards compatibility has to do with the difference in graphic chipsets.

I'm much more concerned about the lack of a harddrive.

The Sphinx
06-21-2004, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by Carl Cunningham
Apparently, the issue with backwards compatibility has to do with the difference in graphic chipsets. Yup. An entirely different instruction set. The two machines will be as different as a Mac box and a Wintel box. More, actually.

Embrodak
06-21-2004, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by Carl Cunningham
I'm much more concerned about the lack of a harddrive.

Amen to that. I'm really worried about that. Aside from the vast array of great games, the harddrive is one of the best things about an Xbox, and if I'm not mistaken, it makes internet play much easier. I just don't see how they can improve on the current Xbox by taking away one of it's best and coolest features.

sorro
06-22-2004, 09:24 AM
Wasn't Microsoft going to try and make the X-Box 2 compatable with PC games as well? I guess that without a hard drive and with it being a Mac, that won't really work. Apple's gotta be happy though.

Alex Augustine
06-22-2004, 10:47 AM
in the newest EGM, Sony claims to be establishing the first 10 year hardware cycle, as opposed to the usual 5 year. I do not need a next gen system anytime soon. Skip a generation and blow my socks off instead..