THE KILL LIST, Round Ten Discussion (James Woods and the Giant Peach)

[Nick Nunziata]

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[Rath/Brendan]

I still can't fathom thinking that Near Dark is a piece of shit. You may not like it, but still...a piece of shit it ain't.

[Teddy KGB]

I love this draft, we have classics mowed down and hardly a word is said in its defense but a movie that someone likes just enough and hate is spewed all over to defend it. this is just great all around

[Jason P. Thompson]

The classics deserve some better excuses, IMO.

[Teddy KGB]

i'm not talking about people being up in arms about GWTW or 2001 or something like that, these are great discussions albiet but what i meant was when people kill off something purely worthless and still someone pops up to defend it with everything they have. best example i can find is clueless. now i sit on the fence with this movie but to see the amount of posts battling back one way or the other over clueless is just great stuff if you ask me

[Guttenberg Fan Club]

Goldberg, you posted in the pictures thread.

[Teddy KGB]

which death in venice? turns up there are two of them. though with that descrip i cant believe they even made one

[Matt Goldberg]

Originally posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Goldberg, you posted in the pictures thread.

I am just the coolest kid in town.

Thanks for the notice, GFC.

And Teddy, I'm picking on the 1971 Italian film.

[Teddy KGB]

thanks i'm updating guzzlefish and was curious, though i'm not checking out either after the descrip you gave and the one on the website it just doesnt sound right, interesting, i could go on and on but it's dead so...

[Rath/Brendan]

VERBAL:

I'm calling you out, esse.

You've got till 120 to back up your claims with a solid argument as to why you think Near Dark is a piece of shit.

Otherwise...I kill Memento in selfish, petty revenge.

[Nick Nunziata]

Micah kills the career of Mel AND Bruce Spence?

[Z-Man]

Never saw Death in Venice, but the recent remake (Love and Death on Long Island) is quite good.

No idea why anyone would kill Mad Max, but at this point...I can't even think of anything to kill. I'll get something in there by the end of the day.

[Kevin Matchstick]

"Death in Venice" is a great short story. Can't speak for the movie - never have seen it.

"Mad Max" is a dumb kill.

[Nick Nunziata]

I love my tenth rounder. It was gonna be my first kill but I knew it would last.

[Guttenberg Fan Club]

Micah is evil.

[Micah Robinson]

Originally posted by Nick Nunziata
Micah kills the career of Mel AND Bruce Spence?

Gibson's had a half-poop, half good career, so the world gets no better or worse. As for Spence.....who cares?

[Jason P. Thompson]

Originally posted by Kevin Matchstick
"Mad Max" is a dumb kill. Unlike 2001, GWTW, Star Wars, and numberous others. ;)

Originally posted by Nick Nunziata
I love my tenth rounder. It was gonna be my first kill but I knew it would last. I'm waiting in great anticipation! :D

[Micah Robinson]

Originally posted by Kevin Matchstick
"Mad Max" is a dumb kill.

Says the Funyuns fan....

[Dan Whitehead]

Originally posted by Nick Nunziata
Micah kills the career of Mel AND Bruce Spence?

And talking pigs.

[Teddy KGB]

and Mel Gibson now leads all actors in dead movies. We've offed 6 and his the passion of the christ isnt even out yet.

Ron Howard and Steven Spielberg are not getting any love

and if John Hughes writes another movie it will be too soon evidently.

[Guttenberg Fan Club]

Originally posted by Micah Robinson
Gibson's had a half-poop, half good career, so the world gets no better or worse. As for Spence.....who cares?

I'll take ten of 'Man Without a Face' just for the greatness that is 'Payback'.

[Matt Goldberg]

Originally posted by Kevin Matchstick
"Death in Venice" is a great short story. Can't speak for the movie - never have seen it.

See, I've never read the story, but to my understanding, the movie departs a bit from the book, although the only difference I know is minor (instead of the main character being a writer, he's a composer).

[Teddy KGB]

looks to me as depressing with no reason as Death of Ivan Illyich and that I cannot sit through so I'll defer to those who have already sat through such gloom.

[Ben Croll]

Mel Gibson, George Miller, the Australian film industry. Dead.
Peter Weir suffers, Joel Silver/Richard Donner suffers, Babe suffers. Plus, we are deprived of one the coolest car chases in film history. I am puzzled.

[Jason P. Thompson]

Originally posted by Dr. Sizzle
I am puzzled. All of us here have been at one point or another during this list.

[Rex Hudler]

Mad Max is raw and visceral. Primal cinema. Micah's worst kill.

[Nick Nunziata]

Originally posted by Dr. Sizzle
Plus, we are deprived of one the coolest car chases in film history. I am puzzled.

How does this killing affect Ronin?

[Jason P. Thompson]

Hoo-Haaa! :D

[Donald Wiskerando]

GREAT pick, Guttenberg.

[Matt Goldberg]

GFC, I understand your hatred towards the private school dramas. What I don't understand is your specific complaint against Scent of a Woman. At the end of the film, Charlie doesn't leave the school, but he does say fuck Harvard and fuck the spoiled kids (or to be more specific, he lets Pacino do it for him).

[Isao Kanemasa]

If only that movie took place five years earlier.

[Guttenberg Fan Club]

No he doesn't. He's still going there, right? The movie was so close....Charlie was going to stand up for what he believed in and get kicked out, but then he's saved. This place left him twisting in the wind and just because they don't kick him out, he's glad to come right back. Somehow, this place is good enough to fight for? No way.

[Carl Cunningham]

Solid 10th Round choice, Kirby. Like the reasoning, too.

[Rath/Brendan]

Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
VERBAL:

I'm calling you out, esse.

You've got till 120 to back up your claims with a solid argument as to why you think Near Dark is a piece of shit.

Otherwise...I kill Memento in selfish, petty revenge.

Twenty minutes left, holmes.

Can you handle the pressure?

Red wire...blue wire...green wire...yellow wire....

[Kirby Drummond]

Thanks, CC.

Some other ideas that I had:

Casino (Snooze.)
Dragonheart (Connery as a dragon, hilarious. I'm the dragon.)
The Newton Boys (Almost same reasoning as for Stone.)

[Guttenberg Fan Club]

Yeah, I'm one of those who finds The Thin Red Line far superior to Saving Private Ryan, though I'm really shocked it lasted this long. I thought a lot more people hated that movie.

[Nick Nunziata]

Hey, I was involved in the stupid TTRL vs. SPR arguments in the day and it was pointless. Apples and Oranges. Both films are in my collection and both films I could care if I ever see again. There are too many better war films (Full Metal Jacket, A Bridge Too Far, Kwai, Paths of Glory, A Midnight Clear, and so on...) to worry about it.

I just still think this movie's a waste of so many resources.

[Z-Man]

I'm more disturbed by the slandering of Jerry Reed.

[Teddy KGB]

Nick, good call on Ronin being the best chase ever, though i am kicking myself for not mentioning max in my list of car chases.

jason your pm box is full

[Tony Ryan]

You MIGHT have just killed the carrer of one of the best TV creators, Rath.

[Burke]

Thank you Nick.

[Z-Man]

Yeah, I was considering killing the Buffy movie, but I don't believe Buffy the TV show gets made without Buffy the Movie.

[Rath/Brendan]

Nah, I'm not worried about that. Like I said, an idea that good would have been bound to surface eventually. And reading about what Whedon did to get the show on the air, I suspect that he would have done the same thing even if there wasn't a movie. Now, it gets into a tricky area where if Whedon didn't get the recognition and reputation as a screenwriter off the movie, he might not have had the dough to personally fund the Buffy pilot...that's the only lapse in my logic.

This last pick is really a leap of faith.

[Teddy KGB]

you also stop SMG and Freddie Prinze Jr. from making scoobie doo and possibly procreating though

[Rath/Brendan]

Besides, the series has virtually NOTHING in common in terms of tone and humor, etc with the movie aside from the basic concept and a few bits of Slayer mythology. Plus, it doesn't fit in the chronology--i.e., no Angel.

[Jason P. Thompson]

Originally posted by Teddy KGB
you also stop SMG and Freddie Prinze Jr. from making scoobie doo and possibly procreating though I'm okay with that.

[Doug]

So then why kill Buffy at all?
It was a good movie. One of Pee-Wee's best roles.

[Rath/Brendan]

Because it's not a Buffy movie.

[Z-Man]

Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
Besides, the series has virtually NOTHING in common in terms of tone and humor, etc with the movie aside from the basic concept and a few bits of Slayer mythology. Plus, it doesn't fit in the chronology--i.e., no Angel.

I agree with all that. But making the show wasn't Whedon's idea. If I remember correctly, he was approached by the film's director (Kuzui?) with the show idea. Not sure he would have thought of it himself--it might just be an unproduced movie script for the rest of eternity.

[Rath/Brendan]

Hmmm. Well, then, I suck.

[Doug]

Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
Because it's not a Buffy movie.
Au contraire.
It is THE Buffy movie.

[Rath/Brendan]

No. It's not a Buffy movie for the many reasons I described. It may share many things in common with Buffy, but it doesn't have the Buffy vibe. It doesn't have the things that makes Buffy special.

The people who write the Buffy comic actually told the story of the movie in a limited series a few years back, trying to tell the story so it FIT with the chronology, etc. And it worked surprisingly well.

[Kevin Matchstick]

Originally posted by Rath/Brendan


Because Joss deserves a chance to get it right.

He got that chance for 7 years, man. anotherdumbkill

[Rath/Brendan]

Yeah, well, part of me still wants to see a big screen Buffy movie without the blight on a near-perfect record that is that movie.

But I've admitted that it probally wasn't the best kill. What, you would have preferred I killed Memento out of spite?

[Guttenberg Fan Club]

Why would you kill another good movie?

[Rath/Brendan]

Lame fucking kill, otis.

[Rath/Brendan]

Originally posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Why would you kill another good movie?

Vengance on Verbal for killing Near Dark.

[otisthecat]

Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
Lame fucking kill, otis. Why is that?

[Rath/Brendan]

Because it's a beautiful movie with an awesome score, it's got David Tomlinson in it, and killing it means I would never get to see Danielle Kessler from the third grade dressed up like a chimney sweep.

[Rex Hudler]

Thanks, Slater. Now I feel like a full participant.

[Doug]

Slater, I'm raping your mother with your dead dog's dick.

[Rath/Brendan]

Nice vitrol spewed rant there, Slater. Gots to say I disagree with you, being one of those fucking retards who yells things at the screen*, but I will say that I had more fun at a showing of Rocky Horror Picture Show on the last day of summer camp than I did all summer.

*but I'd rather be dead than caught in lingere & lace. Ew.

[Angles]

Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
Vengance on Verbal for killing Near Dark.



I'm thinking of a movie that I KNOW would piss off Verbal, and to be honest, I don't like it and find it overrated. Only reason why I don't kill it is because I'd prefer to have a more legitimate reason than spite.

[Rex Hudler]

Gio, I think if you kill The Usual Suspects, you'll find a lot of people stamping on that one trick pony's corpse.

[otisthecat]

Sorry Rath, I always found it boring and despised the carousel/race seen. The songs were stupid even when I was little.

[Rath/Brendan]

Road to Perdition?

[Rath/Brendan]

Originally posted by otisthecat
Sorry Rath, I always found it boring and despised the carousel/race seen. The songs were stupid even when I was little.

It's cool. Damn you for dredging up old memories, though...

[Angles]

Originally posted by Russell Lucas
Gio, I think if you kill The Usual Suspects, you'll find a lot of people stamping on that one trick pony's corpse.

Nope, not the one I was thinking of.


Road to Perdition?


Nope.

[Matt Goldberg]

Originally posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
No he doesn't. He's still going there, right? The movie was so close....Charlie was going to stand up for what he believed in and get kicked out, but then he's saved. This place left him twisting in the wind and just because they don't kick him out, he's glad to come right back. Somehow, this place is good enough to fight for? No way.

I don't think he's fighting for it as much as he's fighting against it. He wants the education and he knows he's good enough for it, but he's not going to put up with the bullshit of manipulative deans and spoiled brats. I think if he had left it, it would have looked like he was running away rather than facing those who would hurt him head on.

[Teddy KGB]

Does everyone in here hate me for not loving SiL also?

[Boomstick]

FUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCKKKKKK!!!!

I did it...

I didn't want to do it, but you guys made me...

I killed one of, if not THE best movie, ever....

It hurts, but so many of my favorites were already dead, and I just want to start over...

I'm sorry...

Flame on boys and girls...

[Rath/Brendan]

Boomstick.

Wow, man. Fucking hard core.

[Rath/Brendan]

Also, quit whining. Two of my favorites of all time were killed last round and you don't see me killing off Psycho or something, do you?

[Boomstick]

I've already kicked my own ass for that one.

But let's face it. We've gone overboard with the killing of good films. Why don't we just start over?

[Jason P. Thompson]

That was the final draw. Glad this thing is ending.

[Matt Goldberg]

Boomstick, your logic is flawed and so is your list. I think you are the clear champ for worst kill list. Congratulations.

[flyarz]

Boomstick finally went for the kill I was hoping to see.

Greatest draft ever.

[Teddy KGB]

If this kill also manages to destroy every single piece of garbage ever created it still wouldn't be worth the loss. I'll put up with Glitter in my video store until the end of time if it means we can have certain classics back. I was hoping that this draft wouldn't come to this.

[Boomstick]

Originally posted by Matt Goldberg
Boomstick, your logic is flawed and so is your list. I think you are the clear champ for worst kill list. Congratulations.

Thanks...

...and no offense taken.

[Matt Goldberg]

Originally posted by Boomstick
But let's face it. We've gone overboard with the killing of good films. Why don't we just start over?

How is this starting over in any way, shape, or form? It's like nuking earth from outerspace so that we can begin again.

[Doug]

The progression from shit to masterpiece in Boomstick's list is almost poetic.
1. Pearl Harbor
2. Pretty Woman
3. The Waterboy
4. Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery
5: Random Hearts
6: Windtalkers
7: Vertigo
8: Breakfast at Tiffany's
9: Birth of a Nation
10: Citizen Kane

[Matt Goldberg]

Originally posted by Boomstick
Thanks...

...and no offense taken.

I'm not trying to offend you, but I seriously think you have made some awful picks this game, and this is the capper. If you're going to try and take down Citizen Kane, your reasons have to be stronger than "Well, I just want to start this draft over. " We shouldn't be choosing films in terms of how they relate to this draft. We should be choosing films in how they relate to a hypothetical future.

[Rath/Brendan]

Kane was apparently mistaken for the Genesis Device in Boom's reasoning pattern.

[Teddy KGB]

We still have sound in film with the Jazz Singer and from there we just have to rebuild and rebuild. I think one way or another modern cinema would exist, however killing off Citizen Kane is like letting the Bride loose on our cumulative film culture and seeing what can substain all this bleeding.

[Doug]

Boomstick is the Hal Jordan of CHUD.

[Rath/Brendan]

Fuck sound.

You kill Birth of A Nation, you kill the way stories are told to effect a mass culture. Blockbuster cinema.

You kill Kane, you kill the way directors shape the medium of film and all the toys therein into a single vision. Auteurism.

Without these two films, the modern film as we know it would cease to exist. He has thus, with those two kills, rendered this ENTIRE draft null and void and we're all accountants in Bum Fuck, Kansas.

[Slater]

Sorry, Boom, but your reasoning doesn't stand. Citizen Kane is one of the best films ever made, sure, but it's hardly the most influential. Hell, critics didn't even start to consider it a masterpiece until at least a decade after its release. Influential? Yes. Essential to the rest of cinema? No.

So I don't think wiping out Kane kills everything that followed. I think it just wipes out a really good movie.

[Jason P. Thompson]

Originally posted by Boomstick
But let's face it. We've gone overboard with the killing of good films. Why don't we just start over? You've managed to kill 4 of them.

Restarting this list would only led us to the same point it is now. Unless we had a cut off date of 1965 or something.

[Rath/Brendan]

What IS the most influential film, then Slater? Perhaps there will be a bonus round and Boom can kill THAT, too.

Hell, why doesn't someone just go ahead and kill "A Voyage To The Moon" or Edison's Frankenstein or The Great Train Robbery and end it all for real?

[Rath/Brendan]

Also, explain this line of "I just want to start over" bullshit. What does killing Kane have to do with that?

[Bailey]

I gotta disagree with the thin red line... first off objectively a midnight clear and a bridge too far are not better war movies. better to you, perhaps, but not like saying the godfather is a better mob movie than hoodlum. second, saying that many fans took it as a challenge to their intellectuality, while ringing very true, could be said about so many films and books as to be almost moot. third, the film is not a waste of resouces (cough, bridge too far, cough) war is a waste of resources, and it was a great conceit to have all these actors who people know and feel an emotional connection to doing the grunt work of the war. plus they all just wanted to work with malick

now about the film itself... pedestrian plot? again, this is the absurdity of war. go there, take that stretch of land by force. reasons? who needs em? penn's bitter and cynical sargeant, nolte's ambitious colonel, and caviezel's wayward private were all played perfectly off each other.

other common criticisms of this film... the narration ran together? intended and effective. it was pretentious? hardly. the thoughts weren't directly in the characters heads. it was a philosophical, almost poetic, distillation of their hopes, fears, even worldviews. name another mainstream american movie that took it's central focus and put it on the backburner in favor of philosophy and poetry. yeah okay some of the poetry wasn't the best we've ever heard... it still moved me.

I haven't even mentioned the beautiful cinematography, the haunting music. two other huge reasons I love this movie.

anyway I guess this is just my opinion, obviously... but I don't get why you'd kill such a truly unique work of cinema.

[Teddy KGB]

Rath, what I am saying is that if Birth of a Nation and Citizen Kane did not exist, that cinema would still exist today on the shere fact that it's a form of entertainment that people enjoy. As a collective 8 billion people I believe would could have come up with inventive stories to tell and interesting ways to show them still.

That being said I am not endorsing Citizen Kane and Birth of a Nation being eliminated from the cinematic canon. I am simply stating that without one film, no matter how important cinema as a whole would live on, yes maybe in some weaker form, but film as a whole would maintain the course sort of speak.

[Slater]

Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
What IS the most influential film, then Slater?

I doubt one exists.

I mean, what's the most influential painting ever made? The most influential song? Album? Sculpture? Novel? Poem? Ask 20 different people and you'll get 20 different answers.

[Rath/Brendan]

Originally posted by Teddy KGB
Rath, what I am saying is that if Birth of a Nation and Citizen Kane did not exist, that cinema would still exist today on the shere fact that it's a form of entertainment that people enjoy. As a collective 8 billion people I believe would could have come up with inventive stories to tell and interesting ways to show them still.

That being said I am not endorsing Citizen Kane and Birth of a Nation being eliminated from the cinematic canon. I am simply stating that without one film, no matter how important cinema as a whole would live on, yes maybe in some weaker form, but film as a whole would maintain the course sort of speak.

And I'm saying that the one-two punch of removing those two films from the cinematic canon effectively castrates and destroys the way films have been told for the better part of a century. Film as we know it simply would not exist without those two films. Sure, it may live on in some weaker form, but it would CHANGE THE COURSE OF THE WORLD, too.

[Guttenberg Fan Club]

Everyone knows the most influential movie ever made is 'Roadhouse'.

[Boomstick]

Full defense:

Not start the draft over... start a new film world. Look at what has been picked so far....

2001: A Space Odyssey
Amelie
Apocalypse Now
Blair Witch Project
Braveheart
The Crow
The Deer Hunter
Dogma
The English Patient
Equilibrium
Evil Dead 2
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
Life Is Beautiful
The Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring
Punch-Drunk Love
Requiem for a Dream
Saving Private Ryan
Snatch
Spaceballs
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
Star Wars Episode 4: A New Hope
Star Wars Episode One: The Phantom Menace
Star Wars Episode 6: Return of the Jedi
Terminator
The Thing
This is Spinal Tap
The Wizard of Oz
X2

All these films play some sort of importance to MY LIFE or the life of cinema. I originally thought the draft was about getting rid of the crap movies as a way to clean up the movie universe. See who could come up with the list of god-awful flicks that suck the earth dry. I went along doing what I could to clean up the crap. I picked Pearl Harbor, Pretty Woman, and so on...

Then people started getting creative. I should have expected as much from you creative people. But the world we created sucked for me. Without flicks like Star Wars and Lord of the Rings I would be taking a huge gamble on what else I may be getting instead. If it wasn't for Evil Dead 2, I may not have ever bought a friggin DVD player. Seeing Terminator 2 was one of the best theater going experiences in my then 15 year old life. Now I don't get that because T1 is dead.

Someone killed Wizard of Oz... what the fuck?

Slater's pushed a shitload of buttons, and it's been fun. I've stayed back and watched for the most part.

Apocolypse Now is maybe my favorite film of all time.

Say what you want about Episode 1. The hype and the thought of getting another Star Wars prequel was fun at the time.

Citizen Kane rocks my socks off, but it's not dear to my heart like a ton of these other films are. Those are the films that shaped a lot of who I am and what I love.

I'm sure this is sounding petty and melodramatic, but guess what folks? We can all go home and watch Citizen Kane on our DVD players tonight. That's the beauty of this draft.

I was going to pick 10 shitty films. After round 6, a ton of my favorite films were gone. Getting ten shitty films would have been easy. I'm glad this draft is just that. Round 9 I decided to go for influential. Round ten I wanted to reset the film world. There IS something poetic about my picks. I didn't start out thinking this way, but face it folks. The final lists we have wouldn't help the film universe that we live in. Better to have 40 days of rain, flood the shit out of it, and start over.

If you disagree with my logic... fine.

[Disciple_72]

Removing Citizen Kane from the balance might just prevent the advent of modern day film snobbery.

It's like that old thing- "if you could go back in time, would you take out Hitler?"

[Donald Wiskerando]

Either Boomstick is really good at not letting on that he's going for a "Piss people off draft" (like Flyers was) or he's just really, really bad at this.

[flyarz]

Back when I picked Star Wars, I was really hoping it would come to this. People getting so crazy with one-upmanship that we'd kill off better and better films. I love it.

This is why we shouldn't own guns!

[Donald Wiskerando]

Originally posted by Disciple_72
Removing Citizen Kane from the balance might just prevent the advent of modern day film snobbery.

Bullshit, we'd just talk about The Bicycle Thief alot more.

[D. Richard]

I'm not a part of this draft obviously, but I've been following it everyday. There have been too many greats killed. It seems a great film is killed when it eventually turns itself into a cliche in our culture. But most of the good ones that have been killed have brought about more good than bad.

For instance when Micah killed Fellowship, I love this movie, but (probably not the same reasons as why Micah killed it) it convinced every studio that epic franchises were the way to go. So no we have Underworld 2 on the way, and they refuse to let Batman and Superman die, and Harry Potter is going on too long. But killing a film like The Wizard of Oz just doesn't add up. the parodies it resulted in are lame, the eventual return to oz was worse, but the greatness of the film outweighs what followed. Maybe I'm just an idiot, but too many great films have been killed. and now Citizen Kane? This kill list has killed pretty much all of hollywood cinema.... maybe thats a good thing.

[Boomstick]

Originally posted by Donald Wiskerando III
Either Boomstick is really good at not letting on that he's going for a "Piss people off draft" (like Flyers was) or he's just really, really bad at this.

You can look at my list and decide for yourself. If I just wanted to push buttons why are my first 6 picks what they are? If I didn't want to push buttons, why did I pick Citizen Kane and Veritgo?

It's been fun.

[Donald Wiskerando]

Somebody needs to pick The Jazz Singer for completion. I mean, when you think about it, what good has come from sound in movies?

[Slater]

And as long as we're going for full disclosure, I don't really have a problem with 2001, either. But it was a fucking blast watching everyone piss and moan over the pick. I love a good fight.

Best draft ever.

[Guttenberg Fan Club]

We started this draft as movie lovers in an attempt to clean up the movie landscape and ended up killing motion pictures all together....it's like Twilight Zone, The Movie.

[flyarz]

Yeah, I can't hold good discussions with my friends during a film with all of the talking and the music.

Somebody make it happen!

[Donald Wiskerando]

Originally posted by Boomstick
If I didn't want to push buttons, why did I pick Citizen Kane and Veritgo?

Some kind of chemical imbalance?

[flyarz]

Originally posted by Slater
And as long as we're going for full disclosure, I don't really have a problem with 2001, either. But it was a fucking blast watching everyone piss and moan over the pick. I love a good fight.

Best draft ever.

HA!

Either way, it seems that everyone has at last one crazy pick. I love it.

[Donald Wiskerando]

Originally posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
We started this draft as movie lovers in an attempt to clean up the movie landscape and ended up killing motion pictures all together....it's like Twilight Zone, The Movie.

Its not so much a Kill Draft as a Scorched Earth Policy.

[Jason P. Thompson]

I so want a hack at the next time this list goes into effect.

[Guttenberg Fan Club]

Perhaps the next draft can involve the taking away of close friends and family members.

[Rath/Brendan]

Boomstick, your reasoning is as bad as Blofeld's. You've effectively changed the course of human history. Congradulations.

[Boomstick]

I'm just going to blame all of you guys for this. Consider me the Government... no accountability.

Or consider me the movie industry...

"Because of the 1% of the people who pirate movies, we will have to raise ticket prices!"

[Boomstick]

Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
Boomstick, your reasoning is as bad as Blofeld's. You've effectively changed the course of human history. Congradulations.

You shouldn't give me so much credit.

[Donald Wiskerando]

Originally posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Perhaps the next draft can involve the taking away of close friends and family members.

Minority kill draft.

[Nick Nunziata]

What sucks is folks like me who were consistent and drafted for the right reasons.

[Donald Wiskerando]

And you know what the worst thing about Boomstick's draft is? Its made his sig really large.

[Jason P. Thompson]

Originally posted by Nick Nunziata
What sucks is folks like me who were consistent and drafted for the right reasons. But people like you are needed for such a crazy result that we have come upon.

[Guttenberg Fan Club]

Originally posted by Donald Wiskerando III
Minority kill draft.

If we get enough people, perhaps we can actually exise the entire human experience from existence.

edited to increase alliteration

[Boomstick]

Originally posted by Nick Nunziata
What sucks is folks like me who were consistent and drafted for the right reasons.

I tried to stay that course, but it seems that the dark side took me in.

I've been accused of altering history.

I hope you kids are having fun with this instead of taking it seriously.

[Rex Hudler]

Two polls: worst total kill draft (Poxy and Boomstick fight it out) and best total kill draft (several contenders).

[Boomstick]

Originally posted by Donald Wiskerando III
And you know what the worst thing about Boomstick's draft is? Its made his sig really large.

That will be gone soon.

[Teddy KGB]

Nick of those 10 sacred cows how many are still standing?

[Bailey]

Originally posted by Nick Nunziata
What sucks is folks like me who were consistent and drafted for the right reasons.

yeah there are better reasons for kills than others, but I think this draft (the first I've seen since I've been at this site) did what it set out to do. led to a lot of film discussion. sure there were petty squabbles but what would the internet be without them? I think it's been a good thing overall.

[Boomstick]

Man...

I haven't caused much stir ever before. It took killing CK to do it. You guys take a while to get riled up!!!:wink:

[Rath/Brendan]

Originally posted by Russell Lucas
Two polls: worst total kill draft (Poxy and Boomstick fight it out).

Don't forget Blofeld.

[Boomstick]

Originally posted by thechairmanofthebored
yeah there are better reasons for kills than others, but I think this draft (the first I've seen since I've been at this site) did what it set out to do. led to a lot of film discussion. sure there were petty squabbles but what would the internet be without them? I think it's been a good thing overall.

chair...

That's an awesome post. You're exactly right.

[Jason P. Thompson]

Originally posted by thechairmanofthebored
yeah there are better reasons for kills than others, but I think this draft (the first I've seen since I've been at this site) did what it set out to do. led to a lot of film discussion. sure there were petty squabbles but what would the internet be without them? I think it's been a good thing overall. Agreed.

Originally posted by Boomstick
Man...

I haven't caused much stir ever before. It took killing CK to do it. You guys take a while to get riled up!!!:wink: I think we got down around round 5. People argued for petty films the most, it seems.

Like to wipe the tears and chug a warm glass of milk.

[Rex Hudler]

Next draft: CHUD poster kill list, and people actually have their posting privileges suspended or terminated! The grudge match to end all grudge matches.

[Bailey]

I think boomstick had an interesting draft... aside from vertigo. I think he killed BoaN for good reasons, and Kane, well... I get what he is saying, although it's sort of an anti kill list pick in the first place.

[Donald Wiskerando]

Originally posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
If we get enough people, perhaps we can actually exise the entire human experience from existence.

I'm gonna take both the Hutus AND the Tutsis.

[Slater]

Originally posted by Nick Nunziata
What sucks is folks like me who were consistent and drafted for the right reasons.

Sorry. I had too much fun with this draft to play it with a 100% straight face. 2001 and Apocalypse Now were really my only controversy picks, though. I'd be happy to see the other eight die slowly.

[Rath/Brendan]

Boomstick, I call shenanigans. You got your feelings hurt that your favorite movies were picked. A lot of our favorites were picked.

NO EXCUSE.

Like I said, I love Adaptation and The Thing and Vertigo and Kane and yeah, I fucking like the technical mastery of Birth of A Nation. Hell, Hester killed off Casper, which may or may not have removed me from where I sit at this very moment in time.

NO EXCUSE.

I think you're trying to defend a god awful second half of the draft with picks you thought were shitty. I think you just plain ran out of ideas. I think your argument doesn't hold water.

Like I said, shenanigans.

[Guttenberg Fan Club]

That's why I think Poxy had the worst draft. He actually doesn't like the movies he picked.

[Teddy KGB]

Get your brooms!

[DaveB]

Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
Boomstick, I call shenanigans. You got your feelings hurt that your favorite movies were picked. A lot of our favorites were picked.

NO EXCUSE.

Like I said, I love Adaptation and The Thing and Vertigo and Kane and yeah, I fucking like the technical mastery of Birth of A Nation. Hell, Hester killed off Casper, which may or may not have removed me from where I sit at this very moment in time.

NO EXCUSE.

I think you're trying to defend a god awful second half of the draft with picks you thought were shitty. I think you just plain ran out of ideas. I think your argument doesn't hold water.

Like I said, shenanigans.

Wow.

[Donald Wiskerando]

Rath flipping out is like the aurora borealis: It happens frequently but it's never any less beautiful.

And Gio is about to get it.

[flyarz]

This IS the internet, right?

[Guttenberg Fan Club]

I don't think Congo utilized any of the skills taught through Birth of a Nation or Citizen Kane.

When all else seems lost, remember we still have Congo.

[Micah Robinson]

This thread and draft are now officially better than air.

[Rath/Brendan]

Originally posted by Donald Wiskerando III
Rath flipping out is like the aurora borealis: It happens frequently but it's never any less beautiful.

Yeah, well, internet or not, I'm still FUCKING pissed.

[Teddy KGB]

I can watch the hate grow minute by minute. Steam was billowing out my ears a minute ago but then I remembered I can still go home and watch Once Upon A Time In America as long as I unpack it

[Angles]

Originally posted by Nick Nunziata
What sucks is folks like me who were consistent and drafted for the right reasons.


I admit that there's nothing particularly influencial about my last pick, but overall, I think I kicked ass. Killed a few careers, tried to save another, saved a whole damn studio, redistributed a couple of Oscars to those who deserved them, and cleaned up a few franchises.

1. The Godfather Part III
2. Superman IV - The Quest For Peace
3. Cop Land
4. Selena
5. Cutthroat Island
6. Super Mario Brothers
7. Ordinary People
8. Emma
9. Song of the South
10. Once Upon a Time in America

[Boomstick]

Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
Boomstick, I call shenanigans. You got your feelings hurt that your favorite movies were picked. A lot of our favorites were picked.

NO EXCUSE.

Like I said, I love Adaptation and The Thing and Vertigo and Kane and yeah, I fucking like the technical mastery of Birth of A Nation. Hell, Hester killed off Casper, which may or may not have removed me from where I sit at this very moment in time.

NO EXCUSE.

I think you're trying to defend a god awful second half of the draft with picks you thought were shitty. I think you just plain ran out of ideas. I think your argument doesn't hold water.

Like I said, shenanigans.

Call Shenanigans all you want... It seems your feelings were hurt by me.

[Teddy KGB]

Gio, as much as I disagree with your last pick otherwise you were beyond solid and much thanks for offing the hated Godfather III.

[Rath/Brendan]

Originally posted by Boomstick
Call Shenanigans all you want... It seems your feelings were hurt by me.

Yeah, whatever. Stop deflecting the issue at hand.

[Boomstick]

Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
Yeah, whatever. Stop deflecting the issue at hand.

What's the issue?

[Slater]

Nice sig, Boomstick.

[Kirby Drummond]

Where's Brian Cox to pistol whip Rath?

[Rath/Brendan]

Originally posted by Boomstick
What's the issue?

Your absolutely SHIT excuse for kiling Kane.

[Guttenberg Fan Club]

His reason was the best part. MURDER EVERYTHING. It's like the ending to Fireworks. This draft has given us a chance to look over some of the great things in film. Now that it's over, it's time to end it all.

It's actually beautiful in a way.

[Boomstick]

Originally posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
His reason was the best part. MURDER EVERYTHING. It's like the ending to Fireworks. This draft has given us a chance to look over some of the great things in film. Now that it's over, it's time to end it all.

Thank you.

[Boomstick]

Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
Your absolutely SHIT excuse for kiling Kane.

You killed off Requiem for a Dream and then Donnie Darko. You knew you'd get reactions, and what happened when you did? You turned into a wuss and picked safe the rest of the way.

Blow.

[Rath/Brendan]

No, cause you see, unlike you, I killed movies that I felt merited killing.

I picked "safe" because Donnie Darko and Requiem for a Dream were the two big ones I had targeted since I enlisted. I've been getting shit for my opinion on those movies since they've been discussed on the boards. And I picked The Pianist, too--which generated a fair amount of controversy if I recal.

You, on the other hand, picked safe for six rounds, and once you saw that your favorite movies were getting killed off, turned into a wuss and started going after classics.

Blow.

[flyarz]

Boomstick had the most entertaining reasoning in the entire draft. Awesome.

[flyarz]

Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
You, on the other hand, picked safe for six rounds, and once you saw that your favorite movies were getting killed off, turned into a wuss and started going after classics.

Weren't you thisclose to killing Memento because Verbal picked something that you disagreed with?

If Boomstick's a wuss, you're a hypocrite.

[Rath/Brendan]

Yeah, but I DIDN'T. Almost counts only in horseshoes.

[Guttenberg Fan Club]

You know what I really am glad no one picked? Deep Throat or one of the other first pornos. If nothing else, we still retain all wacking material.

[flyarz]

See, Blunt doesn't just hate Americans. He hates Nazis too!

[Boomstick]

Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
No, cause you see, unlike you, I killed movies that I felt merited killing.

I picked "safe" because Donnie Darko and Requiem for a Dream were the two big ones I had targeted since I enlisted. I've been getting shit for my opinion on those movies since they've been discussed on the boards. And I picked The Pianist, too--which generated a fair amount of controversy if I recal.

You, on the other hand, picked safe for six rounds, and once you saw that your favorite movies were getting killed off, turned into a wuss and started going after classics.

Blow.

My intentions were to get rid of films I hated. It went that way, and then I decided to break down the film industry, after, YES, FILMS I LOVED WERE GONE. This last post you wrote DOES agree with what I said, but in an earlier post you called shenanigans on me. I haven't harped on you much, and I don't understand your rage at me right now. Are you Rath or Brendan right now?

Again...

What's the issue?

[Boomstick]

Originally posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
You know what I really am glad no one picked? Deep Throat or one of the other first pornos. If nothing else, we still retain all wacking material.

That post made my day.

[Donald Wiskerando]

Somebody needs to pick those old kinetoscope movies that Edison made.

[otisthecat]

Originally posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
You know what I really am glad no one picked? Deep Throat or one of the other first pornos. If nothing else, we still retain all wacking material. If we don't have our wacking material, what do we really have? Very instightful post GFC, just nice to know that someone is looking out for the rest of us.

[Bailey]

Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
Yeah, but I DIDN'T. Almost counts only in horseshoes.

don't forget hand grenades... wouldn't want to ruin a perfectly good cliche'.

[flyarz]

What was the first photo ever taken? That's gotta go.

[Slater]

Don't you get it, Guttenberg? Without Citizen Kane, there could be no whacking matterial. Welles practically invented transitioning from a gentle sacksqueeze to a furious thrustpump. Without Kane, we'd still be fucking real girls.

[Bailey]

I'm cutting down the apple tree... I want an end to the madness!!

[Rath/Brendan]

Originally posted by Boomstick
I haven't harped on you much, and I don't understand your rage at me right now. Are you Rath or Brendan right now?

I'm not pissed at YOU, I'm pissed at your draft and your reasoning. Just like I've been pissed at other people in the draft and their reasoning. I, personally, have nothing against you, and I may have gone a little crazy in this round. But picking Kane burned me. I don't have anything against you, man, you're a good dude. Your reasoning still isn't satisfactory to me, but you know what? I've got to let it go. It's all good.

Draft's done. We can all breath.

[Dan Whitehead]

I kill the human retina. So fuck all y'all.

[Nick Nunziata]

If it weren't for Jessica Tandy I'd get no sex at all.

[Boomstick]

Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
I'm not pissed at YOU, I'm pissed at your draft and your reasoning. Just like I've been pissed at other people in the draft and their reasoning. I, personally, have nothing against you, and I may have gone a little crazy in this round. But picking Kane burned me. I don't have anything against you, man, you're a good dude. Your reasoning still isn't satisfactory to me, but you know what? I've got to let it go. It's all good.

Draft's done. We can all breath.

It's all good Rath... I just enjoyed the hyperbole.

[Donald Wiskerando]

Originally posted by Dan Whitehead
I kill the human retina. So fuck all y'all.

I kill the concept of "being".

[Guttenberg Fan Club]

Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
Draft's done. We can all breath.

No...there's still one Poxy pick out there...perhaps he'll choose the home movie my dad made before he died.

[Boomstick]

I kill God.

[Nick Nunziata]

I don't hate you. I just hate your flesh, bones, blood, soul, and teeth. And your fucking brain. Fuck you and your brain but I don't hate you. I just hate everything you are, were, will be, and WALKED NEAR.

[Rath/Brendan]

Yeah, well, with Bateman gone for the time being and Verbal off on some quest, I figure someone's got to step up. Might as well be one of the old masters.

[Slater]

God's a fag anyway.

[Angles]

Poxy's pick


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0000008/

[Rath/Brendan]

I kill the concept of God.

[Rath/Brendan]

Originally posted by Slater
God's a fag anyway.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH....God you're great.

[Donald Wiskerando]

A. Many don't believe in God in the first place
B. God has to "be" to do anything.

I WIN. EAT MY FUCK.

[Slater]

I kill Wiskerando's edible fuck, thereby negating his entire argument. God remains faggoty. Wiskerando's fuck remains sadly uneaten. I WIN.

[Rath/Brendan]

I kill the states of Kansas and Texas, thus negating both Slater and Wiskerando. I WIN.

[Donald Wiskerando]

But you still write fantasy novels, so you're also still a loser.

HIYOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Boomstick]

I haven't laughed this hard since I watched Bruce Boxleitner wet his pants on The Brian Benben Show.

[Guttenberg Fan Club]

Originally posted by Boomstick
I haven't laughed this hard since I watched Bruce Boxleitner wet his pants on The Brian Benben Show.

Tell me that really happened & I'll be forced to end it all. IT CAN'T GET BETTER.

[otisthecat]

Originally posted by Boomstick
I haven't laughed this hard since I watched Bruce Boxleitner wet his pants on The Brian Benben Show. This is the funniest shit I've heard in a very long time!

[Kevin Matchstick]

Poxy's actual 10th kill:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0167547/

[Slater]

Originally posted by Donald Wiskerando III
But you still write fantasy novels, so you're also still a loser.

HIYOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

By acknowledging my existence, you have simultaneously validated it. For as nu-Orson Welles once said, "I may have never directed an important film, but I sure as shit fucked your sister in the pooper." Ergo, I WIN.

BITE MY FUCK. BITE. BITE. BITE.

[Slater]

I'm sorry, Wiskerando. That was uncalled for. Sometimes I just lose it and lash out at people. I can't help myself. We're still cool, though. You're a good guy, and I really respect you. I just need to take some time and settle down about this. Also, DON'T ASK ME AGAIN TO EAT YOUR FUCK OR ELSE.

[Donald Wiskerando]

Yet the philosophy of this thread STILL makes more sense than Matrix Revolutions.

[Rath/Brendan]

I kill this thread.

[Michael Rabattino]

Will sort through this thread more later, but right now all I can say is this:

Gio, i'm coming to your house tonight. You're a dead man. ;)

[Rath/Brendan]

Verbal, where you been. I almost killed Memento out of hypocritical spite!

[Rath/Brendan]

I kill the cart of heavy shit Harry Knowles talks about in the opening of his book. No cart of heavy shit, no leg-breaking accident for Harry. No Harry put up for six months, no Harry learning how to use the internet. No Harry learning how to use the internet, no AICN. No AICN, no modern fanboy internet hyperbole thing. I WIN.

[Rex Hudler]

Rath, if hyperbole is gone, then I see you disappearing from the picture simultaneously.

[Kevin Matchstick]

I kill this:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-4/162065/MoriaritySig.jpg

A lot.

[flyarz]

Originally posted by Donald Wiskerando III
Yet the philosophy of this thread STILL makes more sense than Matrix Revolutions.

If Fett weren't in Texas, he would've posted this two pages ago. Get on the ball, DL.

[Burke]

Originally posted by Malachi Constant
Wait... I think I've got you beat... if we eliminate Al Gore, does that take care of the internet, itself?

Fuck it, I'm going WAY back. I kill Steve Jobs. No apple=no microsoft= no affordable pc's= no internet, right? I dunno, I'm not very up on my history of silicone valley.

You need to cop more feels.

[Rath/Brendan]

Originally posted by Kevin Matchstick
I kill this: A lot.

I almost preemtivly killed Van Helsing for that very reason.

Also, you remove hyperbole, Bateman and Verbal disappear, too.

[Donald Wiskerando]

Surprisingly Matchstick, I don't think that image is as bad as the text beneath it.

[Kevin Matchstick]

The "Dear, Santa" text has been removed, if that's what you're talking about. If you are talking about the new text that replaced it, I have not had the courage to look upon it yet.

[Rath/Brendan]

Something about Stephen Sommers being the greatest film director ever. Someone should kill him.

[Donald Wiskerando]

Just noticed that the Santa stuff is gone. Anime is a damn magnet for crazy people.

[flyarz]

See, Z-Man, I figured Rath would kill that movie to prove how he's not a racist.

[Rath/Brendan]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?

[Donald Wiskerando]

As the old saying goes: "If you love something. kill it. If it comes back, it was never meant to be. And you should probably kill it again."

[Rath/Brendan]

I kill language.

[otisthecat]

Originally posted by Malachi Constant
Fuck it, I'm going WAY back. I kill Steve Jobs. Well shit, there goes the made for TV "Pirates of Silicon Valley" with Anthony Michael Hall and Noah Wyle, I really liked that movie.

[Michael Rabattino]

Damn....fuck Z-Man.

[Dan Whitehead]

Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
I kill language.

That goes without saying.

[Donald Wiskerando]

POST OF THE EPOCH.

[Z-Man]

Originally posted by Dan Whitehead
That goes without saying.

Checkmate!

[Michael Rabattino]

I don't even know what to kill.

[Rath/Brendan]

Kill Clambake.

[Z-Man]

Kill Once Upon A Time In Mexico so Bateman will shut the fuck up.

[Rath/Brendan]

Originally posted by Dan Whitehead
That goes without saying.

I'm not even going to fucking try anymore.

[flyarz]

Thank God.

[Boomstick]

Killed pulp? Now I know I did the right thing.

It's like beating up your best friend Edward Norton so he doesn't look like a bitch... it hurts... but it needs to be done.

[Dan Whitehead]

Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
I'm not even going to fucking try anymore.

It's a joke, for fucks sake.

[Rath/Brendan]

Sometimes I wonder.

[Dan Whitehead]

For someone who takes swings at people with clockwork regularity, you certainly get huffy awfully fucking fast when harmless razzing is aimed at you.

[Blunt]

Originally posted by Z-Man
Kill Once Upon A Time In Mexico so Bateman will shut the fuck up.

I KNEW I FORGOT ONE! FUCK!

Actually I wanted to kill El Mariachi.

[Rath/Brendan]

You've been riding me pretty hard the past couple of days. I wonder how much of that is harmless razzing.

[Anyawatchin Angel]

Rath what are you doing? Why would you kill Buffy knowing it could lead to no series? And if Joss was successful w/ the movie it may have been a franchise and no series. If you wanted to kill the SMG/FPjr relationship kill IKWYDLS. Go back, edit your pick. Buffy came back from the dead twice. Do it here.

Citizen Kane? I know you said your later picks were meant to start a discussion but if you can't back it up don't pick it. Think harder and be a bit more creative.

Pulp Fiction-That's just wrong anyway you look at it.

[Donald Wiskerando]

Slide.

[Rath/Brendan]

Can't edit, Anya, them's the rules. In retrospect I probally shouldn't have killed Buffy this round, but hey, at the time, that was a risk I was willing to take. Cest La Vie.

[Rath/Brendan]

Poxy ends it with a solid pick.

[Z-Man]

Ahh, Blunt, that's great. Maybe now A Certain Sacrifice will get the respect it deserves.

[Bailey]

blow is just a bad movie... from depp's phoned in performance, to the gooey cheesy center, the tired 70's "glitz", the bad makeup, and that horrible oft repeated line "it was perfect" OH THE IRONY!

[Dan Whitehead]

Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
You've been riding me pretty hard the past couple of days. I wonder how much of that is harmless razzing.

Rath, I've been around here long enough to know that me asking what the point of your "smack talking in chat" thread is, or joking about you overusing internet in-jokes, is about a million miles away from "riding you pretty hard".

And, by the by, that's an image that's going to haunt me. Thanks.

My post above was what I believe is called a "zinger". I believe the correct response to it would be "Ooh, snap!". Or "You're not funny".

Posting "I kill language" on this message board, a message board I love for its fast wit and intelligent posters, is an open goal. I responded, not out of malice for you, but in the spirit of the thread. Had Slater posted it, I would've responded with something along the lines of "I know, I've read your novel". Had this Wiskerando character posted it, I would've responded with "Who are you, and what have you done with the dessicated corpse of Dan Laugharn?".

See?

What I find especially depressing is that in this thread alone I could point out dozens of examples of you doing the same, or much much worse. I could refer back to your using things people have posted about their private lives to denounce them as drunkard, sexist or - still can't believe you did this one - rapist.

To then turn around and ask for exemption from the same thing, to act wounded when trash talked, mere hours after trash talking someone else...

Fuck it.

You're high maintenance. You have this bizarre passive/aggressive thing going on, and it's just too much hassle to try and engage with you these days.

I like you. I've said as much plenty of times. But, by the beard of Tom Skerrit, you're a pain in the ass these days.

Sorry to derail the Draft thread, but I figured I'd end this where it started.

Happy trails.

[Slater]

Dan kills friendship.

[D. Richard]

A hypothetical power was given to those of you in the draft, and it corrupted you all. You went mad with power!

But it was a lot of fun to witness and discuss. I still don't like the Fellowship's death in Rd. 1, but well justified it was.

Best Kill: Selena.... if I were in it, this one would've went first followed by Manhunter.

[Teddy KGB]

I was going to email Universal Studios, tell them I have a great idea for a new movie. We'll have John Hughes write a dramatic romance, directed by Ron Howard. Big stars like Mel Gibson, Nicolas Cage and Cameron Diaz will sign on. It will be titled "There's Something About a Family Man's Rock" that way next time we have a kill list we can just off this one piece and destroy our most hated once and for all.