Final Fantasy

[Sleeplesslumber]

Final Fantasy X sucked. (Heh heh heh that should get some responses)

[Michael Rabattino]

It won't get many responses because it appears that you were only joking around....

weren't you?

[Greg Hansen]

Isn't this in the wrong forum?

Shouldn't we be talking about the 'd20' conversion of 'Everquest' into a pen and paper game?

[Sleeplesslumber]

Final Fantasy X is an RPG but also a video game so it could really fit in this catigory or the one for video games. And I was not lying when I though FFX sucked. It was one of the most beautiful games I ever played but the story left a lot to be desired. I just didn't care about any of the characters. And after the wedding scene I just stopped playing the game because I realized that the only reason I continued to play the game was because I wanted to view more of the game's beautiful cutscenes. Plus I got tired of listening to Titus whine.

[Michael Rabattino]

To stop playing a game midway through is sort've silly, don't you think? At least give it a fair shake by playing through it.

And it's TIDUS, not TITUS.

[Sleeplesslumber]

I think a game should keep me entertained all the way through. By the time I am halfway through a game and I haven yet liked it. I will quit playing it because it is the game's job to keep me entertained from beginning to end. So if I am halfway through the game and I had no fun getting that far then in my view the game has failed.

Sorry if I sound redundant.

[Ludwig]

Final Fantasy isn't a role-playing game. The video game industry stole the term to describe games that allowed you to control a character whose powers could increase over time and in which you used your character to slove puzzles and fight monsters.

Video game RPGs suffer from a lack of imagination, because you are relying on someone else's vision of what your character is like or should act like. You are also in an environment where what you can do with your character is usually very restricted. You know the routine: character X starts in town A and must go to cave B and find item C to get treasure D to slay big boss E etc.

In a pen-and-paper roleplaying game, you have the chance to assume the role of your character in a story. I usually get right into it and make it more like an improvised play that a game when I play most RPGs. You also have complete freedom to try and do whatever you want. The Gamemaster (the person who narrates the story and handles rules descisions, etc.) must come up with a response to what you are trying based on his ideas of where the story is going.

Not that I don't like video RPGs. I am a Fallout and Baldur's Gate WHORE. But I find video game RPG's like reading novels to a limited extent. You can be immersed in a beautiful or imaginative setting, but you are more just along for the ride than really controlling what happens to your character. Honestly, I have yet to play ANY of the Final Fantasy games. I find most Japanese video RPGs very formulaic and stale. I played Dragon Warrior III for the old 8-bit Nintendo, and Parasite Eve for the PSX, but both were esentially the same. One was just WAY prettier than the other.

[Sleeplesslumber]

RPG is the most debated video game term ever. And This topic like I said before could belong under video games or RPGs, IMO Video games can be RPGs. The reason I chose to put it in the RPG & Board game section of the message boards was because I saw there were no topics posted under it yet.

[Michael Rabattino]

Well, the term RPG definitely most applies to games like Fallout and Baldur's Gate, since you can create your character.

But other than that, the FF games are very much similar in that you have a party, explore strange new worlds, go to towns and talk to people, and so on. Obviously, though, the FF games and other console RPGs have been inspired by the older RPGs.

[Greg Hansen]

Thank you, Ludwig!

[Genocide]

How can u all slag off final fantasy, final fantasy games are the greatest series of games and have tons of depth and things to do. Some are worse than others but they are all good games which u can spend hours on

[omgictu]

i agree.

final fantasy games are quite possibally the best seiers of games in the world ever!!!!!

exept maybe MGS, or Colony wars (dont ask what that is)

[Genocide]

yeah name something better!

[Richard Dickson]

Genocide:
yeah name something better!Ludwig did: the Fallout and Baldur's Gate series.

[Genocide]

Poxy Von Sinister Inc., Ltd.:
Genocide:
yeah name something better!Ludwig did: the Fallout and Baldur's Gate series.No way man, I mean there fun and all but I compleated them too quick. Developers where too lazy, they didn't last long enough, there great but final fantasy is in a league of its own

[omgictu]

colony wars rules

[Richard Dickson]

Genocide:
No way man, I mean there fun and all but I compleated them too quick. Developers where too lazy, they didn't last long enough, there great but final fantasy is in a league of its ownBaldur's Gate 2 "didn't last long enough"?!?!

And I'm sorry, calling the developers of those games lazy is one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard.

[Michael Rabattino]

Ok, holy shit.

First of all, I love the Baldur's Gate and Fallout series'. They are both in my top ten games of all time.

Ok, to say they didn't last long enough is like saying space is not infinite. Baldur's Gate II had 200 HOURS OF GAMEPLAY!! Maybe more if you did EVERY single thing possible. And the Fallout games had incredible depth as well. FF games of the past 5 years or so have had 60-80hrs at BEST.

I'm not gonna say Final Fantasy is better than these games, or vice versa because I consider them all equal, in a way.

And to say the developers are lazy...do you guys read their Designer Diaries?? Do you follow the development of the titles?? I guess not. They work 20 hour days, hell, even more sometimes to put the utmost quality into what they are making. To call them lazy is ridiculous.

[imported_Adam Warren]

Genocide:
yeah name something better!Not playing video games.

[Michael Rabattino]

Adam Warren:
Genocide:
yeah name something better!Not playing video games.Classic Adam Warren.... wink

[Cheese Biscuits]

My favorite FF game:

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[Genocide]

Poxy Von Sinister Inc., Ltd.:
Genocide:
No way man, I mean there fun and all but I compleated them too quick. Developers where too lazy, they didn't last long enough, there great but final fantasy is in a league of its ownBaldur's Gate 2 "didn't last long enough"?!?!

And I'm sorry, calling the developers of those games lazy is one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard.Baldurs gate, dark aliance on the ps2 yeah thats the one, I even unlocked the secret guy who looks amazing but is sh*t because he can only use the same weapons. It reminds me a lot of goldern axe but as for 200hrs gameplay, no way I played through it twice in 4 days wheras final fantasy games, U just need to get everything

[Michael Rabattino]

The PS2 version has absolutely nothing to do with the PC ones in terms of gameplay.

[Agent 86]

Eat the Cheese Biscuits, fool:
My favorite FF game:

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That is the funniest...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

[Richard Dickson]

Well Genocide, we're talking about Baldur's Gate for the PC. You know, you can play games on your computer as well as surfing the web.

[Genocide]

Poxy Von Sinister of Ulm:
Well Genocide, we're talking about Baldur's Gate for the PC. You know, you can play games on your computer as well as surfing the web.{clap, clap) very clever, since baldurs gate on the ps2's the only 1 ive played I can only judge that, I guess there are simalaritys between them anyway. What makes the pc version so special

[Richard Dickson]

The 200 hours of gameplay, the immersive story, the great graphics and sound, pretty much everything.

[Genocide]

Poxy Von Sinister of Ulm:
The 200 hours of gameplay, the immersive story, the great graphics and sound, pretty much everything.I never got 200 hours from it although I do admire its great graphics, fun of slashing and using spells and the way you can fit so much action on a screen at once

[Richard Dickson]

The 200 hours of gameplay are in the PC version that you haven't played.

Geez, is this really such a tough concept?

[Genocide]

Poxy Von Sinister of Ulm:
The 200 hours of gameplay are in the PC version that you haven't played.

Geez, is this really such a tough concept?Do you mean to compleate it once or till u get bored

[Michael Rabattino]

To complete it once.

Go out to any PC game store. Find Baldur's Gate 1&2. For cheap. Buy them.

Play them. Then report back here.

If you say you couldn't get 300 hours out of the both of them combined, you didn't do much.

[Richard Dickson]

Genocide:
Poxy Von Sinister of Ulm:
The 200 hours of gameplay are in the PC version that you haven't played.

Geez, is this really such a tough concept?Do you mean to compleate it once or till u get boredAs in how bored I am with this conversation?