Mario Sunshine is beginning to look like pants...

[Cheese Biscuits]

I love Mario. I really do. I grew up on the NES with all 3 Marios, I have a Game Boy with Mario Land on it, I have an SNES with Mario World and Mario Allstars, and I have Mario N64, not to mention all the spin-off stuff like Mario Cart and Mario Golf and Smash Brothers...

I want you to remember that before you smack me.

First, read this from <a href="http://cube.ign.com/articles/136/136713p1.html" target="_blank">IGN</a>:

According to Nintendo.com the storyline is as follows: "Super Mario Sunshine is much different than what you might expect. This time, things are much more complicated than simply rescuing Princess Peach from Bowser. The adventure starts when Mario and Peach decide to take a well-deserved vacation to a beautiful island in a remote location. Since the island is perpetually sunny and inhabited by friendly locals, it seemed like the perfect choice at first.

In typical fashion, poor Mario never gets a chance to relax. When he arrives on the island, he notices ugly scribble marks covering the walls throughout the community. What's worse, the person responsible for the scribbling has disguised himself to look just like Mario!

Mario is falsely accused by the locals, so he decides to get to the bottom of things. Armed with a new water-pumping backpack, Mario sets out to clean up the scribbling and reveal the identity of the true villain. This is the latest news from Japan, and we can't wait to learn more."

I'm sorry, but Mario on a quest to find a guy who paints on walls? What kind of hash are the guys at Nintendo smoking? Oh well, at least I know the gameplay will be fun, as all Mario games are. Well, as all Nintendo created games are.

(Edited to fix link)

[Michael Rabattino]

Are you fucking kidding me!?!?!?!?!

Pants, pants, and more pants. I thought Luigi's Mansion's concept was stupid, but this takes the cake.

It's not like I won't buy it, though... wink

[voltes5]

Holy shit, that's so funny. Even more so because I share your sentiments, Verbal!

[Blunt]

Plus, the first screenshots look ass.

[Cheese Biscuits]

I can just picture the meeting inside Nintendo:

"What can we do to reinvent Mario?"

"O! We can give him a water gun and make him go around cleaning up grafetti!"

"That sounds terrible. In fact, that's the worst idea I've ever heard."

"You're fired. Find me someone who loves my idea on your way out."

*mumbling to himself* "Stupid, ignorant fuck. 'Make Zelda a cartoon' he says. 'Give Mario a water gun' he says. I'm going over to Rockstar to make games about hookers blowing shit up."

[Johnny Butane]

Um...who cares what the story is about? For years it's involved rescuing a princess from a huge dog-like creature. I play Mario games because they're fun as hell, not because I want a rich, engrossing storyline.

Seems silly to judge the pantsness of a game about Mario based on it's plot. It's all about the playability and graphics...don't you think?

[Tony Ryan]

All Mario is anyways is a plumbers mushroom trip.

Who cares about the story.

[Micah Robinson]

Plot has nothing to do with why this game looks stupid.

Evolution does.

Mario games used to be synonymous with the word. They spurred the constant evolution of the platform game. In fact, they re-defined it time and time again, whether in 2D or 3D.

But since Mario 64.....CRAP.

Luigi's Mansion (yes, I've played it) is a boring, short, and pathetic excuse for a game.

The Mario games on Game Boy Advance are ALL complete re-treads of classics that have just been renamed.

And this latest installment looks like a redux of Mario 64 with a water cannon added to "justify" the years of development and the reason it supposedly couldn't have been done on N64.

Yeah. Right.

IT IS VIRTUALLY THE SAME GAME.

And I hate paying for the same thing twice.

[You can't call Guyute a mook]

Mario Sunshine does piss me off, it looks exactly like Mario 64, with a water cannon and slightly better graphics..

I still hold out hope for Metroid and Zelda though, because they look to be evolution in gameplay....

[mongycore]

How long will it be before Cheese or Verbs make a thread about Metroid being a fps and that they don't like it? Get some perspective guys before fuming like some mushroom cloud laying motherfuckers....but still, the prospect of a Metroid FPS does sound kind of stinky.

As for Mario Sunshine, shit, Mario 64 had squat for a story but was fun and engaging anyways. Zelda: Ocarina of Time was kind of barren in terms of narative until you reached the next 'zone' to explore.

Miyamato has a solid track record at exploiting Nintendo's latest and greatest technological beasts. I can't wait to see what he comes up with next...

[Cheese Biscuits]

Hey now, I never said I would hate the game. As I said, I'm sure that the gameplay will kickass (and that's all that really matters in a game). But that idea is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. The "saving a princess" plot is no where near the crap of "cleaning up after a mysterious graffiti artist". Please, give me a break.

As for Metroid, I don't give a damn if its a FPS. I'm not that big of a Metroid fan anyway.

And my second post was a joke, so don't take everything so seriously.

[mongycore]

your second post was hilarious, like that ep of Simpsons where they introduced the new character into Itchy and Scratchy.

[Michael Rabattino]

mongycore:
How long will it be before Cheese or Verbs make a thread about Metroid being a fps and that they don't like it? Get some perspective guys before fuming like some mushroom cloud laying motherfuckers....but still, the prospect of a Metroid FPS does sound kind of stinky.
Get some perspective? How's "been playing video games since I was 6" rate for perspective? I think I know what a game should be, and this game is not sticking to Mario's roots. They are using a gimmicky, stupid concept to lure a new generation of gameplayers.

It's probably gonna have about 8 hours of gameplay and be loaded with a bunch of cutesy minigames for replay value. But I hope i'm wrong.

Is that what we deserve?

Bull-fucking-shit if you think so.

That said, I will still be there on launch.

[Cheese Biscuits]

I have yet to see Nintendo fuck up. Well, there was Vitrual Boy, but we won't get into that,

[mongycore]

Perspective. "Playing games since you were 6"...

I just tire of your juvinile posts that hastily proclaim something to be either 'pants', 'ass', or whatever new mtv sanctioned slang for something sucking. At least put some thought and reasoning like CB does when slamming something, ok?

so there it is.

[edited because i'm obviously pants pants pants]

[Cheese Biscuits]

Whoa, ease up mongy.

[Michael Rabattino]

Ok, since when has pants become a term used by the MTV generation? Correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't EVERYONE on this board use it?

The water-gun gimmick is lame. Why can't it just be regular old Mario with no water gun and no graffiti? Like a sequel to Mario 64? I'd have accepted a new way to incorporate Bowser kidnapping Princess Toadstool again. I really would have.

Because Nintendo has run out of ways to make that style of gameplay interesting, that's why. And that's the only reasoning needed. Unfortunately you fail to recognize that.

[Cheese Biscuits]

Verbal Kint:
Ok, since when has pants become a term used by the MTV generation? Correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't EVERYONE on this board use it?

<a href="http://chud.nexcess.net/board/ubbhtml/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=24;t=001733" target="_blank">Eh hem...</a>

[Michael Rabattino]

Heh.

[OvermindX]

First off let me say that nobody really knows anything about Mario Sunshine and nobody will until E3.

Miyamoto is holding back something big, something he doesn't want to say yet. Something that I believe will revolutionize gaming again as we know it. Nintendo is known for being ultra secretive.

Wait till E3 to make any judgements on this game.

Mario is Miyamoto's baby and I can guarantee you he wouldn't let the big Mario game go right down the toilet. I can guarantee that it will be fun as hell to play.

Some speculation that has gone on as to what Miyamoto isn't telling us.

1. Real-time changing landforms.
2. Mario will be in 3-D (as in a 3-D movie)
3. Both of the above

If you would like explanations as to why those speculations have been made, just let me know.

I spend more time reading news about video games than I do about movies, and I do that alot.

[Micah Robinson]

OvermindX:
First off let me say that nobody really knows anything about Mario Sunshine and nobody will until E3.

Miyamoto is holding back something big, something he doesn't want to say yet. Something that I believe will revolutionize gaming again as we know it. Nintendo is known for being ultra secretive.

Wait till E3 to make any judgements on this game.

Mario is Miyamoto's baby and I can guarantee you he wouldn't let the big Mario game go right down the toilet. I can guarantee that it will be fun as hell to play.

Some speculation that has gone on as to what Miyamoto isn't telling us.

1. Real-time changing landforms.
2. Mario will be in 3-D (as in a 3-D movie)
3. Both of the above

If you would like explanations as to why those speculations have been made, just let me know.

I spend more time reading news about video games than I do about movies, and I do that alot.I wish somebody would've withheld Luigi's Mansion.

But your specualtion doesn't seem to make any sense as Miyamoto himself said that he wanted Super Mario Sunshine to essentially be a refinement of the gameplay of Mario 64 rather than an evolution.

Anything close to what you speculated about runs in direct contradiction to that.

Your guarantees would've held a lot of water 3 years ago when not one game associated with Mario was less than really good.

Now that every Mario game since has been some ridiculous sidebar (Paper Mario Party), a Luigi game (the excrement of Luigi's Mansion) or a retread (The Game Boy Advance Mario stuff), those "guarantees" are worthless.

I'm not judging Super Mario Sunshine completely because it's possible that something will be significantly different despite all indications to the contrary. But all the evidence so far seem to indicate that a lame retread is in the works....

[imported_T_M]

Wait, I though Mario Sunshine had something to do with shooting the sunshine or whatever the Japanese have in their obscure minds. frown

[Martianman]

Isn't this concept the complete opposite of some new Japanese game that just came out where you go around roller-blading and spraying graffiti on walls for points? Somebody help me out here.

[Michael Rabattino]

You must be referring to Jet Grind Radio.

That's similar, but in that you are spraying the grafitti, not cleaning it up.

[otisthecat]

OvermindX:
First off let me say that nobody really knows anything about Mario Sunshine and nobody will until E3.

Miyamoto is holding back something big, something he doesn't want to say yet. Something that I believe will revolutionize gaming again as we know it. Nintendo is known for being ultra secretive.

Wait till E3 to make any judgements on this game.

Mario is Miyamoto's baby and I can guarantee you he wouldn't let the big Mario game go right down the toilet. I can guarantee that it will be fun as hell to play.

Some speculation that has gone on as to what Miyamoto isn't telling us.

1. Real-time changing landforms.
2. Mario will be in 3-D (as in a 3-D movie)
3. Both of the above

If you would like explanations as to why those speculations have been made, just let me know.

I spend more time reading news about video games than I do about movies, and I do that alot.After the wonderfull sur-fucking-prise that everyone got after playing MGS2 for a few hours, I'm not all that keen on them anymore. wink

[Martianman]

Verbal Kint:
You must be referring to Jet Grind Radio.

That's similar, but in that you are spraying the grafitti, not cleaning it up.That's the one. Yeah, I was just taking the basic concept, cleaning up graffiti, and saying that was the opposite of Jet Grind Radio. You should play Jet Grind Radio first, then to clear your mind, play Mario Sunshine afterwards.

[OvermindX]

I really wouldn't worry about Mario. We'll know the truth in August. Actually we'll know the truth in July when it comes out in Japan and the sites report on it. Actually, we may know whats up in May with E3.

Somebody once pointed out to me that Mario games actually go through a cycle (the main ones anyway), from revolutionary to evolutionary, then revolutionary etc. and that makes sense. An evolution of Mario 64 will no doubt be awesome considering that Mario 64 is hailed by many as one of the greatest games ever made.

to prove the rev/ev thing

Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 2 (the japanese one the american one isn't really a mario game)
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario World
Mario 64
Mario Sunshine

Look at those and tell me if you don't see the revolutionary/evolutionary pattern.

For those who don't know the japanese super mario bros 2 was pretty much the same game except luigi and mario had diifferent characteristics, poison mushrooms, differnt and better level design, and wind.

So the pattern is actually pretty evident.

The reason I don't count the US SMB2 is because it was actually some game with arabic characters called Doki Doki Panic that they just pasted different graphics into.

[Genocide]

Verbal Kint:
Are you fucking kidding me!?!?!?!?!

Pants, pants, and more pants. I thought Luigi's Mansion's concept was stupid, but this takes the cake.

It's not like I won't buy it, though... wink Its aimed at kids,

I see ur point it is bloody stupid, even kids will probably laugh at it. But its so fun, Im waiting for smash brothers, res evil and a zelda game to be released over here in england rather than mario.

How come mario beat sonic?
where did the saturn and dreamcast go wrong?
How come games like banjo kazooie and mario be aimed at kids when the gameplays for adults?
whats with the potatos?
will their ever be a smash brothers sequal with sonic charactors on (Id love to see that)?