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Modemac
12-30-1999, 11:25 PM
In regards to the "love-it vs. hate-it," "Scientology vs. critics" reviews of "Battlefield Earth" seen on the Net, I should state that I have been an outspoken critic of Scientology for the past several years. Nevertheless, I will still say that "Battlefield Earth" is an entertaining book -- it's far from the "greatest science fiction saga ever written," and it really bogs down in the middle, but it's an enjoyable read nonetheless. In fact, it was the first of Hubbard's books that I ever read: I picked it up and read it for the sheer challenge of finishing a thousand-page paperback book. Much of the book is juvenile and laughably silly (such as the evil Brown Limper Staffor and his relentless hatred for the superhero Johnnie Goodboy Tyler), and some of Hubbard's "science" is so implausible as to be ludicrous. In one section of the book, the good guys teleport a satellite to a point one light-year away from the planet Psychlo, and they use video enhancement technology to enlarge the image at "six trillion power" magnification to get a view of the planet. Then there's the idea that by placing five nuclear bombs next to each other and set one off, they will all denotate in turn, one after the other. I'll leave it to better writers than I to point out the obvious flaws to these...but despite their being crucial to the plot, they don't detract from the fact that I enjoyed the book. About half of it is full of rollicking action and intrigue (dampened somewhat by two-dimensional stereotypical "good guys" and "bad guys"). Hubbard's Scientology ideas are there within the book, but they're deeply hidden. You'd have to know about Hubbard's obsessive hatred of psychiatry and the way Scientologists refer to psychiatrists and psychologists as "psychs" to understand why he chose "Psychlos" as the name for the evil alien overlords of the whole universe; likewise, the Scientology belief that "man is basically good" is what ensures that the final victory of the book will not leave humanity open to corruption on its own, after the story has ended.

The writing varies from a furious, energetic pace (when the battles and double-dealings are taking place) to tediously slow (when Hubbard plays the material for more additional sub-plots), and as has already been said, the overall tone of the book is that of a junvenile pulp fiction novel. To compare this silliness with grand space opera like E.E. "Doc" Smith's "Lensman" books would be sacrilege, but "Battlefield Earth" does stand on its own as an entertaining story. I had trouble getting started with it, and it did bog down, but the final third of the book is fast reading to the very end. This book inspired me to go out and learn more about L. Ron Hubbard and his works...but if you do want to read more, be warned that most of Hubbard's writings are far sillier than what you'll see in "Battlefield Earth." After this book, I worked my way through his ten-book "Mission Earth" series...which are nothing but a blatant commercial for Scientology, and which are so unbelievably awful that you may want to read them just to see if they live up to their reputation as one of the worst pieces of "science fiction" drivel ever published. "Battlefield Earth" is an entertaining, fun read...but after this, you may want to read Hubbard's other good book, "Fear." And then you can visit my Web site at http://www.modemac.com/ and learn about his most famous science fiction creation: the "church" of Scientology.

Bonfi
01-01-2000, 05:46 PM
I read the book 5 times! Each time was more enjoyable. Great entertaining! Hell I only read Dune 3 times, and that was good but not as good. The other stuff you are peddling on your website well that my friend has nothing to do with art, the book or the movie. Sounds like you have a personal beef. It doesn't even belong in the world of those that didn't make it as writers (critics). sorry about not being interested in your websites, I think I'll read Battlefield Earth a few more times, till the movie comes out.

DJEvil
01-02-2000, 12:58 AM
I still have difficulty believing that anyone has ever read Dune all the way through. I tried FIVE F**KING times. Each try resulted in my eyes being crossed for a week by page 30.

In regards to the Modemac post: dude. If you're gonna plug your stuff on the board, don't sound like you're trying to plug your stuff on the board. I mean, I thought I was looking at a cleverly crafted banner.

Nick Nunziata
01-02-2000, 01:49 AM
If you really want it, I'm sure Steve would tell you DUNE in an easy to swallow format.

DJEvil
01-02-2000, 01:57 AM
I don't know, man. It'd have to be in 4 paragraphs (3-5 sentences each) or less. Can he do that?

Coyote
01-02-2000, 02:01 AM
I've got a copy of DOON you can borrow.

DJEvil
01-02-2000, 02:07 AM
I remember trying to watch the movie. I thought, "Hey, I can take it in a movie format. That's my turf."

Less than a minute into the introduction, I was cross-eyed. Sorry, but I just can't fit that much into my cerebrum in such a short amount of time. I envy all who do.

Nick Nunziata
01-02-2000, 02:09 AM
I get cross-eyed whenever Lynch rolls film.

DJEvil
01-02-2000, 02:18 AM
I get cross-lynched whenever eyes roll, Film.

Hastur
01-02-2000, 03:10 PM
Hubbard is a decent storyteller. He just does nothing for me as an author. Still Battleship Earth looks like it could be entertaining.

At least it isn't "based on a true story". If I want true stories I'll read the newspapers.

Coyote
01-02-2000, 09:54 PM
As long as they don't do the Invasion Earth books. Not only was each of them identical*, but they bear an amazing resemblance to Wile E. Coyote's exploits against the Road Runner. I'm supprised WB didn't sue.


*Ok, I only read the first 4 of the 10 novels. But those 4 were practically identical.

squelch
01-02-2000, 10:04 PM
In terms of the NY Post, what can you say. Anyone who's lived there (or even visited) and read the rag, it is yellow journalism at its best. That's why people read it.
In terms of the book and the movie, let me say the book moved quickly for me. Though 1000 pages I just kept flipping the pages.
The movie promises to be good. Pepper as Jonnie Goodboy Tyler, who could ask for more. Travolta and Whitaker as alien bad guys--sounds smokin'. Travota did some great bad-guy stuff with Face/Off and Broken Arrow. Based on the poster I saw in the theater if all the aliens have those eyes...especially Whitaker!

devilf
10-14-2001, 05:38 AM
Whatever happened to Sewer favorite Modemac?

OvermindX
10-14-2001, 03:16 PM
NO NO NO, please make the $cientology go away and close this thread which has clearly been started by $cientology freaks.

Deadcash
10-14-2001, 04:09 PM
I don't know what Scientology is. What is their belief that is so controversial? Do they believe a spaceship will come down from the heaven and take them to another planet or something?

Nananananananananananana LEADER!

imported_Adam Warren
10-14-2001, 05:00 PM
How dare you mock Xenu.

D_B_Cooper
10-14-2001, 06:48 PM
Come on, Final Blackout is the best book Hubbard ever wrote. Fear aside, every other book he wrote is awful compared to Final Blackout. And shouldn't this be in the book forum? http://www.chud.com/board/ubbhtml/smile.gif

Prankster
10-14-2001, 07:11 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Deadcash:
I don't know what Scientology is. What is their belief that is so controversial? Do they believe a spaceship will come down from the heaven and take them to another planet or something?

Nananananananananananana LEADER!

As a matter of fact, that episode was largely a parody of Scientology. And yeah, their beliefs are that insane.

I don't THINK they make you pick lima beans, though...

D_B_Cooper
10-14-2001, 07:21 PM
Plus, their leader's dead. Or is he...?
MUA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!

Innocent X
10-15-2001, 03:04 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by devilf:
Whatever happened to Sewer favorite Modemac?

Jesus that was funny. Can't rememeber the last time the board made me laugh that much.

Beautiful Mike
10-15-2001, 10:19 AM
my mom got remarried and is now a scientologist with her new husband. i hated battlefield earth, but mom seems happy and she hasn't gone weird on me.

she hasn't tried to coerce me into joining and she hasn't done any weird stuff at all.

that may be due in part to the fact that i hand grenaded her and she is confined to a 30 gallon aquarium.

Kirby Drummond
11-06-2001, 04:42 PM
This deserves another run dev.