New Vs Old Generation of Horror Fans

[Angelus]

I was thinking earlier, why I disagree with so many older horror fans, and why I just cant like many classics, no matter how much I want to.

I think the problem is, my generation has been spoilt. It's expected of a flick these days to be fast paced, action packed, atmospheric and have charecter development. Admittedly, atmosphere and development have taken a back seat in recent years, but some GREAT modern horror movies have all of these:

Wrong Turn
The Mummy (1998)
28 Days Later
Dog Soldiers

To name a few. I mean, nice effects are a plus, but one thing I am in agreement with the majority of fans is that I dislike CGI and prefer practical effects, which is an artform which is sadly rarely used any more. Don't get me wrong, Im not against CG, but over use of it (like in the Mummy Returns) can kill a flick, especially unessacary use of it. Thats one thing that did bug me about Resident Evil. I liked it, despite having no REAL love for the genre (the film not me lol), is that I was looking to an awesome prosthetics fest but what I got was merely one or two decent CGI shots, and some things that could have easily been prosthetic. Seems to me like CG is the easy, lazy way out nowadays.

Now, another thing that comes to my attention is pacing....I have heard good things about May, but to me, it seems like it will be a slllllllow paced charecter film more than anything. Thats great for some people, but I would rather the big, action-adventure pieces, fast paced like I am sure Van Helsing will be (and I am SURE it will have plenty of charecter, Hugh Jackman is the lead, so I have faith in his abilitys). Does that make me less of a fan? No , but I can understand why so many people would prefer may.
I also prefer a good one liner here and there instead of over the top comedy ala evil dead.

I dunno......I would like to hear what you think. Lets try and stay away from the elitest crap, I am just intensly interested in why so many people feel the way they do and I would like your opinions on your views and why you think you feel like it.

[Dr. Vitus Werdegast]

It's hard to say why some people like things and other don't...I like what I like. I've been thinking about the generation gap too lately with the ever growing FVJ thread. I haven't liked many of the last few Fridays or Halloweens (hell I walked out of Jason X--and I know Micheal Myers obviously has nothing to do with FVJ but I'm thinking more along the lines of recent slasher flicks) but I do like the originals and some of the later ones. I mean, look at Friday the 13th 2,3,4 and on....and Halloween 4, 5...I mean yes, these were kinda dumb. The characters are stupid but I've always enjoyed most of them, have a great time watching them. Why not the more recent ones?
I'm trying to think if it's just nostalgia warming my view of these movies that I watched back then, or if it's the times that have changed and not me. I mean the earlier films in these series had dumb teens looking to get laid and get drunk (obviously a bit of a generalization) and the teens in most of the later films want the same thing. But for some reason, I don't know, it seems somehow like the dumb horny kids from the 80's films are just kinda goofy...that dumb goofy that makes the films enjoyable. Whereas the dumb horny kids in these slasher flicks now aren't goofy. They're annoying, (supposedly) ironic and sarcastic with biting one liners, etc. I think it slants the whole film a different way. I mean I can enjoy dumb ass fun films, I'm not elitist, but I just don't find any dumb fun in JVF or Jason X or Halloween Resurection, etc. But is it that, or is it just me looking more fondly on movies i watched as a kid?
Joe Dante in the new Howling SE says that the film has aged well but has a "quaintness" about it now which is what they were trying to avoid at the time. Is that same kind of dating (not saying good or bad...as we all know, The Howling simply rocks) that colors my versions of these older films in these series vs the newer ones?

Kinda hijacked the topic for that, sorry, but have been thinking it lately. As for new vs old generation yes, I think age does have a lot to do with it. You like different things at different times in your life. "May" may not be your thing now, at 19, but when you're 31 it may just be a "lost classic" you rediscover. Who knows, Angelus, you may be on your death bed at 91 and watch Re-Animator and love it! :)
It's not that I think older fans have better tastes than younger ones, but I do think that, being older, and having seen probably more horror films of many different types, and going thru more phases, etc, that older fans in general have a different outlook than younger fans. Not better or worse. Simply different. And I know that comes across as something along the line of "now listen here, young whipper snapper, you like these movies cause you don't know any better, etc" and I really don't mean that at all. But I do think that yes, tastes change as you get older. I haven't changed my mind on any horror films I loved as a kid or teenager some of them are still my faves, but as I've gotten older I may definately see them in a different way than I did then. And also be more open to many more types of horror, studied the films more and have read more books, more fiction etc etc.
There's so many of us on this board and we're of all ages and we all more or less agree on so much. And while I agree with you that RE is a fun flick, I DO think Re-Animator, Evil Dead, etc are classics--but I respect your opinion. And you've listed films in threads that I am in complete agreement with you about. And there's plenty of other people on here young and old I agree with on many films, old and new. I think it's just that, obviously, so many of us are REALLY into horror and have strong opinions and we get easily riled up at times.

I should really stop posting at 4am.

[ZombiePie]

I'm another one of those horrible 19 year old horror fans.. And I do seem to have different tastes than, uh, older fans of the genre. I -liked- Freddy vs. Jason, even though some of the acting made me want to hunch down in my seat and hide. I like WISHMASTER. But I also like the Dead Trilogy, The Exorcist, Salem's Lot, Frankenstein, Dracula..

Maybe I'm just easily entertained by everything. I haven't gotten the chance to see May yet, so I can't really go into that.

Another weird thing.. There are so few women horror fans. When some female friend asks what movie I want to rent and I say "Return of the Living Dead!", I get some odd reactions.

Err, sorry for dragging the thread off topic. Typing at such an ungodly hour -is- a bad idea.

[Addix]

ZombiePie:
I'm another one of those horrible 19 year old horror fans.. And I do seem to have different tastes than, uh, older fans of the genre. I -liked- Freddy vs. Jason, even though some of the acting made me want to hunch down in my seat and hide. I like WISHMASTER. But I also like the Dead Trilogy, The Exorcist, Salem's Lot, Frankenstein, Dracula..

Maybe I'm just easily entertained by everything. I haven't gotten the chance to see May yet, so I can't really go into that.

Another weird thing.. There are so few women horror fans. When some female friend asks what movie I want to rent and I say "Return of the Living Dead!", I get some odd reactions.

Err, sorry for dragging the thread off topic. Typing at such an ungodly hour -is- a bad idea.There are female horror fans out there...we are just few and far between. :D I also fall into the "older" horror movie generation, but that hasn't spoiled my love of the newer horror movies too. Most of the major studio horror that has been churned out over the past few years is utter shit, but there have been a few gems. I enjoy a wide range of movies, so maybe that is why I can absolutely love a movie like May and at the same time enjoy the hell out of Freddy Vs. Jason. I guess it really depends on my mood at the time if I want to pop in a good B horror movie, a "classic", or something like The Ring. Btw, if you haven't started exploring the glory that is Asian horror, I highly suggest you do so. I've actually found myself more critical of American horror movies now that I have found my true obsession. I don't know if being more critical is a good thing or not, but I know that they have "raised the bar" if you will. It seems the Japanese have not forgotten the fact that a good, scary story is the true basis of a good horror film.

Angelus: I agree with you 100% about the CGI. I don't dislike CGI, but I feel it is very overused. That is one of the things I liked so much about Dog Soldiers is its lack of CGI (well that and the fact that it was just a damn fun ride).

Umm...yeah I am aware that I was rambling, but oh well. :p

[Vanity Ruins]

I'm 18 and i am a old school horror fan. I long for the day when a horror movie with the impact of dawn of the dead will come out. Theses new horror movies have nice effects and all but I yearn for more. I want a good story and some really good acting. The only thing that came close was 28 Days Later. Alex Garland even said he was inspired by Dawn of the Dead and even Day of the Triffids. I want something that will inspire people not something that was inspired.

[Ashxking2001]

Im in the middle of things I missed out on the 70s Boom and. Caught the tail end of the 80's cheese. I loves Horror before scream and after Halloween so "Im stuck in the middle

[Ashxking2001]

Something else just popped into mind. I hate the holyer than thou attitude some horror fans fave. If you didnt see Halloween in theaters. Then it dosnt matter. Hello I dont think you saw Dracula or Wolfman in its silver screan glory

[Dr. Vitus Werdegast]

Ashxking2001:
Something else just popped into mind. I hate the holyer than thou attitude some horror fans fave. If you didnt see Halloween in theaters. Then it dosnt matter. Hello I dont think you saw Dracula or Wolfman in its silver screan gloryI'm suprised to hear that you get that attitude. God knows there's enough attitude of all other sorts to go around (especially on that FVJ thread...jeeesh :) ) but I would think that horror fans DON'T see a huge amount in the theatres. So many of us on here are interested in horror films from so many eras that video, TV and DVD are the places most horror films are seen. All the money I've blown on DVDs etc over the years attests to that :) I know for me, sure I've got some great horror flicks in the theatres memories, but my most cherished ones are probably old flicks I saw on the local horror host show in my basement when I was a kid.

[Eurytus]

Upon reading the first post in this thread I spent some time trying to work out which Mummy film was released in 1998.

I would have realised immediately but was previously unaware that;

a) it was actually considered a Horror film. I was certainly unaware that it was in any way scary but I guess it takes all sorts.

b) it was actaully considered to be an excellent film. It has workable special effects true. But it has no scares at all, cardboard thin characters and very little dramatic tension.

I would have described it as an Indiana Jones pastich, not as a horror film.

If it is one of the 4 'classics' of recent years then I am little surprised that you do not like films like the Exorcist.
Indeed, I am comforted by it.

[Floydian Trip]

Addix kind of took the words out of my mouth as did Eurytus. Didn't like the Mummy at all and the sequel was worse.

My take first Angelus is that you have some interesting opinions for sure and when you express them they are thought provoking. I think the biggest trap you fall into is getting defensive about your tastes being different at times. Don't get defensive, that's horror. I don't think anyone has ever said you're not a fan because you don't like Evil Dead. You don't have to like it.

Addix you bring up something I've been thinking about since reading the Freddy vs. Jason thread yesterday. I think my objectivity towards American horror has been screwed as well due to foreign films. In the late 90's I got so sick of the bubblegum BS Hollywood was dishing out that I stopped going to theatres and got into Asian, Italian, French, etc. as well as Indie horror movies in a big way. Just about the only American studio made horror movie I had seen in a few years was Blair Witch. I missed the last several Friday's and Nightmare's due to that. It seems that the foriegn directors make the movies they want with no interference or censorship. I'm sure there are standards they have to conform with elsewhere but they are alot more open-minded about things.

I don't think old or new has anything to do with it. I think it's what you are exposed to and how. In time your tastes will change and perhaps eventually you will like some of the flicks you don't at the moment. I know mine do. Horror is such a personal thing becasue it deals with pent up emotions that at times it's hard to understand why someone didn't like this or did like that. I love Fulci films but if someone says they are absolute pieces of shit it's hard to argue becuase they really are. I don't feel wrong for loving them and I don't think anyone is wrong to dislike them. Anything goes in horror.

[EDIT]

I wrote that wrong as usual. What I meant to say about Blair Witch was studio released not studio made. DOH!

[Dr. Vitus Werdegast]

Floydian Trip:
I don't think old or new has anything to do with it. I think it's what you are exposed to and how. In time your tastes will change and perhaps eventually you will like some of the flicks you don't at the moment. I know mine do. Horror is such a personal thing becasue it deals with pent up emotions that at times it's hard to understand why someone didn't like this or did like that. Wow, see and if I hadn't been half asleep I could've cut my post down to make sense like this. :)

[Floydian Trip]

Heh, I enjoyed your first post quite a bit Doc. It just shows how complex the genre really is even if alot of the movies in it aren't. Maybe age does matter in that the longer you're around the more movies you get to see. As time goes by you also meet more and different horror fans that might give you new insights into things. Fond memories also play a part for sure. For me The Shining in theatres was it and I have never seen anything else like it especially in the last decade and a half. Bottom line though I doubt even an in depth study into what makes horror fans tick and what makes them click with certain films and not others would pinpoint anything. As long as there are fans though there will be movies.

[Slater]

Wrong Turn and the Mummy are great modern horror movies?

I don't think this has anything to do with fans liking old horror versus new horror. I think Angelus is really complaining about fans preferring quality horror over flashy, insubstantial shit.

[Angelus]

Floydian Trip:
My take first Angelus is that you have some interesting opinions for sure and when you express them they are thought provoking. I think the biggest trap you fall into is getting defensive about your tastes being different at times. Don't get defensive, that's horror. I don't think anyone has ever said you're not a fan because you don't like Evil Dead. You don't have to like it.
Thanks thats appriciated. I have tried to be less defensive about stuff and think my posts through more nowadays and hopefully that shows.

[Capt. Eucalyptus]

In defense of The Mummy (1998) it does owe a great deal to some of the same 1930's and 40's movies that Indy borrowed from. It certainly has elements of horror in it. Those scarabs are pretty nasty and being cursed to be buried alive with them gnawing at your flesh givews me the willies. Then when he zombifies the town's populace that was certainly some old-school horror. Did it scare me? No, but then so little of the old school horror movies do. I chalk that up to being de-sensitized by all of the gore from the slasher movies. But I do think it qualifies as horror and I thoroughly enjoy it.

[Slater]

I'm not saying "The Mummy" isn't a *fun* movie, Scott. But if I can watch it with my mother, it's not horror.

[Capt. Eucalyptus]

OK everyone, we know now that Slater's selection of Jenna Jameson's videos counts as horror! (Just kidding mate.)

So tell me then, do you count Vincent Price movies as horror? What is your definition?

[Slater]

capteucalyptus:
So tell me then, do you count Vincent Price movies as horror? What is your definition?Okay, so that was a terrible analogy. What I meant was that if a movie is trying to scare you, disturb you, disgust you, or even just unnerve you, I'd classify it as a horror film, at least in part. "The Mummy" isn't trying to do any of those things--it's an action film, pure and simple. Fun, sure, but it's not horror.

The old Vincent Price movies? Sure, I'd call them horror. Just because they don't always succeed at scaring or unnerving modern audiences doesn't negate their original intentions.

[Angelus]

capteucalyptus:
In defense of The Mummy (1998) it does owe a great deal to some of the same 1930's and 40's movies that Indy borrowed from. It certainly has elements of horror in it. Those scarabs are pretty nasty and being cursed to be buried alive with them gnawing at your flesh givews me the willies. Then when he zombifies the town's populace that was certainly some old-school horror. Did it scare me? No, but then so little of the old school horror movies do. I chalk that up to being de-sensitized by all of the gore from the slasher movies. But I do think it qualifies as horror and I thoroughly enjoy it.Basically this is exactly what I was trying to say....what films are scary any more? If the only films that are horror scare you, I think I have only ever seen one or two horror movies in my life!

[Capt. Eucalyptus]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Slater hoards electricity:
<strong>Okay, so that was a terrible analogy. What I meant was that if a movie is trying to scare you, disturb you, disgust you, or even just unnerve you, I'd classify it as a horror film, at least in part. "The Mummy" isn't trying to do any of those things--it's an action film, pure and simple. Fun, sure, but it's not horror.</strong>

Let me say first that I hate pigeonholing movies/books into genres. I would classify this as an action/horror movie. I can see both genres being fulfilled. I believe there are certainly moments where it does try to scare you.

<strong>The old Vincent Price movies? Sure, I'd call them horror. Just because they don't always succeed at scaring or unnerving modern audiences doesn't negate their original intentions.</strong>

See I would consider Eight Legged Freaks a horror film but I could see you calling it an action movie. In my mind you can put any movie that has a supernatural force in it that is trying ot eat/take over/subjugate the human race into the horror genre.

[Z-Man]

There are many movies that straddle that action/horror line: Aliens, Battle Royale, 28 Days Later, maybe even Dawn of the Dead. The Mummy just seems like a plain ol' action/adventure movie. Yeah, it has some scary monsters, but so do Star Wars and LotR.

[Capt. Eucalyptus]

But neither of those feature a horror icon as its central antagonist.

[Floydian Trip]

As much as I hate to admit it I think The Mummy is a horror film. It's the Mummy. I think had it been written, directed and acted better it would have been a no-brainer. The fact that it came off as a cheesy, Indiana Jones knock-off with really bad actors and overloaded with CGI that they didn't bother to try and make look real at all makes it feel like a comedy/action/adventure. That's not the Mummy's fault. Poor guy.

[ALIENinfluence]

I don't really care about what generation a film comes from, but it does seem like a lot of the newer films do lack the creepy punch of movies like the original "Texas Chainsaw" or "Night of the living dead". I suppose it could partly be that we've seen all the ideas and are kind of calloused to all the tried methods (serial killer, monster, demon, ghost, etc.)
It also seems that the newer big budget films have a lot of lines they don't want to cross, like offing the main character(probably in hopes of a sequel), killing babies or extremely young children. I don't think they worried about that stuff in the 70's. Shit, if the Spielberg of today were given the "Jaws" project, none of the kids at the beach would get eaten. I remember being shocked as a kid seeing another kid get "et up" by the shark, it really socked it home that anyone was at risk. You just don't get that sense of danger with most of the stuff coming out now, unless it's some of the direct to video releases. Darn. frown

[Doug]

The Mummy is fantasy adventure.

Angelus-
You are young, I can tell. I hope you discover as I did that some horror movies, especially the older ones, become scarier as you get older. The subtext reveals itself after you've had some more life experience under your belt.
Case in point for me- Rosemary's Baby. This is a snorefest for anyone under 20. That's because much of it deals with mature themes like marriage, parenting, and social change. Nothing a teenage boy (or girl) has much firsthand experience with. as you get older you may begin to appreciate the art of golden age horror as well.
Check out some of the older stuff every few years and see how it looks. Hopefully you'll be pleasantly surprised.

[Slater]

I think the filmmaker's perceived intentions are more important than whether or not the movie contains a few grisly or creepy scenes. Sure, the flesh-eating scarabs in "Mummy" were unsettling, but so was the rat-in-a-bucket from "2 Fast, 2 Furious," and I don't think anybody would consider THAT a horror movie (insert easy joke here).

"The Mummy" treated its monsters pretty much the same way "Ghostbusters" treated its ghosts--creepy in some parts, comedic in others, but any actual "horror" is undercut by the characters, dialogue, and direction.

[mrstiffie]

The 70's and 80's were horror's heyday. Yes Blair Witch and some great others came later, but anything before then wasn't scary and after was too commercial. I know that's blasphemous but it's how I feel.

[Angelus]

Yeah but if The Mummy is a horror is not really relevent - I believe firmly it is, as do others, and others don't. Theres many definitions of the word, to each person it's different.

[Capt. Eucalyptus]

mrstiffie:
Blair Witch ... greatWords that don't belong in the same sentence.

[mrstiffie]

Well there's obviously two camps on this issue and it's equally HOLY CRAP MY PANTS ARE ON FIRE! HELP! I'M SERIOUS! QUIT POINTING AND LAUGHING AND HELP ME OR SOMETHING! HOLY MOTHER OF....ahhhhhh....whew...what was I saying?

[Angelus]

Slater hoards electricity:
I think the filmmaker's perceived intentions are more important than whether or not the movie contains a few grisly or creepy scenes. Sure, the flesh-eating scarabs in "Mummy" were unsettling, but so was the rat-in-a-bucket from "2 Fast, 2 Furious," and I don't think anybody would consider THAT a horror movie (insert easy joke here).

"The Mummy" treated its monsters pretty much the same way "Ghostbusters" treated its ghosts--creepy in some parts, comedic in others, but any actual "horror" is undercut by the characters, dialogue, and direction.So, wouldn't that make Evil Dead a comedy movie?
It's rarely scary, and relies more on laughs than horror...so yeah...

[Addix]

Angelus:
So, wouldn't that make Evil Dead a comedy movie?
It's rarely scary, and relies more on laughs than horror...so yeah...Which Evil Dead are you talking about? The first one can in no way be defined as a comedy, but the second is more of a dark comedy.

[Slater]

Angelus:
So, wouldn't that make Evil Dead a comedy movie?
It's rarely scary, and relies more on laughs than horror...so yeah...You've obviously never seen Evil Dead.

[mrstiffie]

ED2 had it's scary moments, you have to admit that. The bridge scene always creeped me out.

And your right capteucalyptus, ingenius belongs in the same sentence as Blair Witch. Next your going to say that it's a rip-off of Last Broadcast, the decent "movie" that screwed itself with it's incredibly stupid ending.

[Addix]

mrstiffie:
ED2 had it's scary moments, you have to admit that. The bridge scene always creeped me out.</strong>Oh it did certainly have it's horror elements too, don't get me wrong (if you were referring to my calling it a dark comedy). My thought is that he couldn't possibly be talking about Evil Dead (the original).

And your right capteucalyptus, ingenius belongs in the same sentence as Blair Witch. Next your going to say that it's a rip-off of Last Broadcast, the decent "movie" that screwed itself with it's incredibly stupid ending.I've got another one...groundbreaking. Whether you liked the movie or not doesn't change the fact that it opened a lot of doors for horror (especially indie horror).

[mrstiffie]

F'n-A right Addix! I find that those who are rabid about telling you how not scary it was I think in a lot of cases are ashamed that they were freaked out. Or they went to it thinking it was real and were embarrased when they found out otherwise (not that you should be, I envy you. I, alas, read a trade mag a year before and knew the deal.) I found more guys than women were freaked out, and I think it has to do with back in the day Og had to defend the cave and keep an ear out for any trouble so he could club it. That's just me.

And I wasn't responding to you, Addix. I figured you were refering to ED2. Anyone that referes to the first as funny thinks Audition was a romantic comedy! I was just putiing my two cents in because everyone referes to ED2 as a comedy, and it was, but it was equaly scary. Before the others show up when he gets possesed and being chased was pretty freaky. AOD was almost pure comedy, unless you laughed when the well shot a couple of hundred gallons of blood.

[Z-Man]

Evil Dead 1 is just as much a slapstick movie as ED2...the latter is just a little more obvious about it.

[mrstiffie]

WTF? How zany is a woman being raped by a tree? What did you think of Audition, a Japanese 'When Harry Met Sally'?

[Z-Man]

It's a 3 stooges film, only when Moe pokes Curly in the eyes, his fingers come out the back of Curlie's skull. Seriously, it's a horror film, and it's scary as hell, but it does have a comedic rhythm to it. I know I laugh like crazy everytime I watch it (although in a few scenes, this may be merely a psychological defense mechanism). Everything in ED2 is there in the first one, they just shift the emphasis slightly.

[mrstiffie]

Your just saying that because the credits list 'Fake Shemps'. I forgot what movie I was watching, but in the credits I saw 'Fake Shemps' listed. Sam Raimi outta sue.

Not calling you wrong, it's been awhile since I've seen it, but I just don't remember that.

[Angelus]

Slater hoards electricity:
Angelus:
So, wouldn't that make Evil Dead a comedy movie?
It's rarely scary, and relies more on laughs than horror...so yeah...You've obviously never seen Evil Dead.Actually I did. Kinda sucked. I might have been talking about evil dead 2, but they suck equally to me. But ED was not scary to me in anyway, and the second was a really unfunny attempt of comedy.
On my opinion of course...

[Angelus]

mrstiffie:
WTF? How zany is a woman being raped by a tree? What did you think of Audition, a Japanese 'When Harry Met Sally'?Not too interested in Japanese horror to be honest with you.

[Slater]

I'd be willing to bet that Angelus has never actually watched half of the movies he rips apart on a regular basis. Including Evil Dead.

[El Grosso]

Angelus...

You quite possibly have the worst taste I have ever encountered on the internet or in person. You fucking baffle me, kid.

[ALIENinfluence]

Maybe he's a 'Gilgli' fan as well... wouldn't that be terrifying? At least scarier than "The Mummy"...

[mrstiffie]

Angelus:
mrstiffie:
WTF? How zany is a woman being raped by a tree? What did you think of Audition, a Japanese 'When Harry Met Sally'?Not too interested in Japanese horror to be honest with you.That was dripping with sarcasm. Your sarcasm detector should have been reading off the charts. Like if I said "If you like TCM you'll love Emeril Live". Is this thing on?

Is what Slater is saying true? Have you viewed them all? Hmmmm?

[Angelus]

El Grosso:
Angelus...

You quite possibly have the worst taste I have ever encountered on the internet or in person. You fucking baffle me, kid.Who are you again? Thats right, no one. Oh wow I have the worst taste some guy on the internet I haven't even heard of till now who I am never gonna know has ever seen! Devestating. Give me three reasons I should give a fuck what you think?
And in my opinion, if you like evil dead....evil deads one of those movies that you only like because every one else does, because to be honest, its not funny, its not scary, its not well acted, so if you like that...wow.

And Slater, mate, your talking shit. No big news for you, but please, stop being a prick. I know you cant help it, but well, that's not my problem really. If you don't think I have seen it...like I say, another guy I could give two shits about doesnt think I have seen these movies? Big whoop. This is the internet, kid.

[Angelus]

Angelus:
El Grosso:
Angelus...

You quite possibly have the worst taste I have ever encountered on the internet or in person. You fucking baffle me, kid.Who are you again? Thats right, no one. Oh wow I have the worst taste some guy on the internet I haven't even heard of till now who I am never gonna know has ever seen! Devestating. Give me three reasons I should give a fuck what you think?
And in my opinion, if you like evil dead....evil deads one of those movies that you only like because every one else does, because to be honest, its not funny, its not scary, its not well acted, so if you like that...wow. Excuse me for not getting off on a woman being raped by a tree. That's not horrific, that's just incredibly sad.

And Slater, mate, your talking shit. No big news for you, but please, stop being a prick. I know you cant help it, but well, that's not my problem really. If you don't think I have seen it...like I say, another guy I could give two shits about doesnt think I have seen these movies? Big whoop. This is the internet, kid.

[Angelus]

ALIENinfluence:
Maybe he's a 'Gilgli' fan as well... wouldn't that be terrifying? At least scarier than "The Mummy"...Have you seen Gilgli? If not, you cant really say if it sucks or not. If so, you actually paid or went to see it, so your closer to being a fan of it than I am since I have no intention of seeing it...

[Addix]

Angelus:
El Grosso:
Angelus...

You quite possibly have the worst taste I have ever encountered on the internet or in person. You fucking baffle me, kid.Who are you again? Thats right, no one. Oh wow I have the worst taste some guy on the internet I haven't even heard of till now who I am never gonna know has ever seen! Devestating. Give me three reasons I should give a fuck what you think?
And in my opinion, if you like evil dead....evil deads one of those movies that you only like because every one else does, because to be honest, its not funny, its not scary, its not well acted, so if you like that...wow.

And Slater, mate, your talking shit. No big news for you, but please, stop being a prick. I know you cant help it, but well, that's not my problem really. If you don't think I have seen it...like I say, another guy I could give two shits about doesnt think I have seen these movies? Big whoop. This is the internet, kid.Chill the fuck out kid...seriously. I like the Evil Dead movies and I could give a shit less whether anyone else likes them or not. I just like the movies. Does that mean I have bad taste? Nope. I just like a series of movies that you don't...get over it. YOU say it's not scary, funny or well acted. You know what? That is your opinion, which you are entitled to, but don't try to pass it off as if it were fact. You bitch about being insulted because of the movies you like (or don't like), but then you turn around and do the same thing to others. Stop being a little fucking hypocrite.

[Angelus]

Also, I bet you if you showed the movie to a bunch of people who weren't rabid fanboys, you would get a whole bunch of indifference. It never catched on in the mainstream, and I know to some of you thats great because you think your so much better than the mainstream cinema goer, but the fact is, if it was REALLY that great, it would be more than a small cult movie. Despite what you think, in the sea of moviegoers, evil dead lovers a relativly small bunch, so how great can it really be?

But for you who like evil dead to be "cool", go you.

[Angelus]

Addix:
Angelus:
El Grosso:
Angelus...

You quite possibly have the worst taste I have ever encountered on the internet or in person. You fucking baffle me, kid.Who are you again? Thats right, no one. Oh wow I have the worst taste some guy on the internet I haven't even heard of till now who I am never gonna know has ever seen! Devestating. Give me three reasons I should give a fuck what you think?
And in my opinion, if you like evil dead....evil deads one of those movies that you only like because every one else does, because to be honest, its not funny, its not scary, its not well acted, so if you like that...wow.

And Slater, mate, your talking shit. No big news for you, but please, stop being a prick. I know you cant help it, but well, that's not my problem really. If you don't think I have seen it...like I say, another guy I could give two shits about doesnt think I have seen these movies? Big whoop. This is the internet, kid.Chill the fuck out kid...seriously. I like the Evil Dead movies and I could give a shit less whether anyone else likes them or not. I just like the movies. Does that mean I have bad taste? Nope. I just like a series of movies that you don't...get over it. YOU say it's not scary, funny or well acted. You know what? That is your opinion, which you are entitled to, but don't try to pass it off as if it were fact. You bitch about being insulted because of the movies you like (or don't like), but then you turn around and do the same thing to others. Stop being a little fucking hypocrite.I wasn't talking to you you fucking idiot. READ IT PROPERLY you jack ass, MY taste is the taste under fire so fuck off you cunt.

[Addix]

Angelus:
Despite what you think, in the sea of moviegoers, evil dead lovers a relativly small bunch, so how great can it really be?
If you judge everything by how big of a mainstream following something has, well then I guess that means that Britney Spears is the greatest musician of all time, Avril Lavigne really is punk and Titanic is the greatest movie ever made. See where I'm going here? What the mainstream does or doesn't eat up does not (and shouldn't) necessarily determine what is "good" and "quality".

[ALIENinfluence]

Addix:
Angelus:
Despite what you think, in the sea of moviegoers, evil dead lovers a relativly small bunch, so how great can it really be?
If you judge everything by how big of a mainstream following something has, well then I guess that means that Britney Spears is the greatest musician of all time, Avril Lavigne really is punk and Titanic is the greatest movie ever made. See where I'm going here? What the mainstream does or doesn't eat up does not (and shouldn't) necessarily determine what is "good" and "quality".All hail the wisdom of Addix!! :D

[Angelus]

You know, Im really getting tired of having to defend myself from pricks on this site a lot, and from now on, if you start on me Im not even gonna try holding back. Some of you cunts just have gotten away with it for too long, and if your determined to start a flame war with me, fine.

[Addix]

Angelus:
I wasn't talking to you you fucking idiot. READ IT PROPERLY you jack ass, MY taste is the taste under fire so fuck off you cunt.Oh my, throwing out such naughty words. Tsk tsk tsk. Is that any way to speak to a lady?

Now, although you weren't speaking directly to me, you insulted the taste and intelligence of everyone who likes Evil Dead. That applies to me and I will respond.

[mrstiffie]

Alright dude I have been calm and letting your comments roll of my back like water but
a) NEVER talk to a woman like that
b) NEVER use that word, especially in the presence of or to a woman (except in traffic)

I'm not going to get high and mighty but you really need to relax. Do this: When someone posts something that pisses you off, wait ten minutes. If you still feel that way then respond. Just relax.

And I i]did[/i] show them to a group of non fanboys, three different groups of non-horror fans to be exact, and they all went and saw AOD afterwards as a result.

How can you say the movie wasn't that accepted when it has not one but two videogames made after it?

You hate the Evil Dead franchise and we all know that by now. You can continue to bash it and I won't mind but know that we all know, to save yourself the typing.

[Angelus]

Shut the fuck up, I was talking to him and you know it. And your being a prick like them, so yeah, your getting the same treatment "lady" or not.

IF I felt the need to adress you personally, I would, like I just did. That seemed like HIS personality. I was talking about him, and you took it the wrong way. Im not gonna apologise for it though, because I don't think i should be apologising right now. If you took it the wrong way, fine, but until a minute ago I had no problem with you.

[ALIENinfluence]

Gee, maybe my joke about "Gigli" was a bit too close to the mark. It wasn't meant to draw such a heated response, Angelus. :p
"Simma' down now'!" :p

[Angelus]

mrstiffie:
Alright dude I have been calm and letting your comments roll of my back like water but
a) NEVER talk to a woman like that
b) NEVER use that word, especially in the presence of or to a woman (except in traffic)

I'm not going to get high and mighty but you really need to relax. Do this: When someone posts something that pisses you off, wait ten minutes. If you still feel that way then respond. Just relax.

And I i]did[/i] show them to a group of non fanboys, three different groups of non-horror fans to be exact, and they all went and saw AOD afterwards as a result.

How can you say the movie wasn't that accepted when it has not one but two videogames made after it?

You hate the Evil Dead franchise and we all know that by now. You can continue to bash it and I won't mind but know that we all know, to save yourself the typing.Those videogames didn't exactly set the videogame world on fire.....see when they say stuff about my taste, its fine, but if I say something back im branded a fucking trouble make or whatever...

Anyway, thanks for your advice but I think Im gonna feel free to ignore it anyway.

[mrstiffie]

Addix:
Angelus:
Despite what you think, in the sea of moviegoers, evil dead lovers a relativly small bunch, so how great can it really be?
If you judge everything by how big of a mainstream following something has, well then I guess that means that Britney Spears is the greatest musician of all time, Avril Lavigne really is punk and Titanic is the greatest movie ever made. See where I'm going here? What the mainstream does or doesn't eat up does not (and shouldn't) necessarily determine what is "good" and "quality".Yeah amen. I didn't get Titanic. And the opening weekend of Pulp Fiction barely beat The Specialist box-office-wise. Years have past, which movie is more popular? Which is good? The Specialist made a lot of money, does that make it an equal to Pulp Fiction?

And Addix is cool. Oh yeah
c) Addix is cool so no flaming Addix.

I'm confused: are we p****s or c***s? I need to know so I know how to fill out forms from here on out.

[Charlie Brigden]

Using the mainstream taste as an example for the quality of horror is incredibly futile. While tame commercial horror has been successful in the teen date demographic, I can't think of a huge amount of horror flicks that have been really successful. The Exorcist, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The Blair Witch Project (although I can't call that quality in any way). A lot of the so-called mainstream probably don't like The Godfather or Taxi Driver, so does that mean they're automatically awful? Angelus, you constantly cite Return of the Living Dead III as a great movie, yet that was a DTV release. As was The Evil Dead.

The simple truth is, a lot of mainstream folk can't take horror. I can't tell you how many people I know hate flicks like TCM and indeed, The Evil Dead, not because they suck, but because they scare them so much they can't take it. And that's what I call successful horror.

[Angelus]

I was gonna say something about people who find the evil dead movies scary, but forget it. Obviously, in many of your eyes I am the anti christ, so just fucking forget it. Im tired of having to fucking justify my tastes ALL THE TIME to a bunch of idiots.

[ALIENinfluence]

Testify, Brotha Fett! Can I get a witness?! wink

[mrstiffie]

Anyway, thanks for your advice but I think Im gonna feel free to ignore it anyway.[/QB]Dude you need to get that temper under control, I'm serious. It will give you nothing but trouble in the future. I know, trust me. Like pride, it only hurts, it never helps. We're not ganging up on you. You fish for contraversy so relax when you get it. I know what it's like to think everyone is ganging up on you, and like you I used to feel backed in a corner and come out swinging. But I learned if you wait a bit things aren't as bad as they seem. It's better to be pissed on than pissed off. And just because a cat has kittens in an oven that doesn't make them biscuits.

And you have a point about the videogames, my point being there is enough of a fanbase for them to justify make games of them, that says a lot.

[Addix]

Angelus:
Shut the fuck up, I was talking to him and you know it. And your being a prick like them, so yeah, your getting the same treatment "lady" or not.

IF I felt the need to adress you personally, I would, like I just did. That seemed like HIS personality. I was talking about him, and you took it the wrong way. Im not gonna apologise for it though, because I don't think i should be apologising right now. If you took it the wrong way, fine, but until a minute ago I had no problem with you.If being personally addressed means being called a cunt because I told you to chill out, then I would prefer not. Thanks anyways. I prefer to be able to have at least somewhat mature discussion, debates, arguments, whatever without being insulted. What was it really? The fact that I was absolutely correct in what I said perhaps? I don't know, but if you think that I'm trying to start a flame war with you, then you really need to re-read my posts.

I didn't necessarily have a problem with you either (didn't always agree, but whatever) until you decided to throw a hissy fit spaz attack at everyone. Once again, I will not shut the fuck up because, although you may have quoted his post, you made a sweeping generalization of Evil Dead fans...which includes me.

[mrstiffie]

Fett & Doop:
Using the mainstream taste as an example for the quality of horror is incredibly futile. While tame commercial horror has been successful in the teen date demographic, I can't think of a huge amount of horror flicks that have been really successful. The Exorcist, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The Blair Witch Project (although I can't call that quality in any way). A lot of the so-called mainstream probably don't like The Godfather or Taxi Driver, so does that mean they're automatically awful? Angelus, you constantly cite Return of the Living Dead III as a great movie, yet that was a DTV release. As was The Evil Dead.

The simple truth is, a lot of mainstream folk can't take horror. I can't tell you how many people I know hate flicks like TCM and indeed, The Evil Dead, not because they suck, but because they scare them so much they can't take it. And that's what I call successful horror.Uh...did you say Evil Dead was direct-to-TV or is DTV something else?

Yes. Horror that un-nerves you has succeeded already. Good point. Horror is more successful outside of the theaters simply because most movies are dates (like you said) and a guy knows most women don't want to see a movie where a cannibal family tortures people. Once safely home by yourself or with friends you satisfy the curiosity you had when the movie first came out. There enlies a horror movies success.

And the anti-christ doesn't flip out when you disagree with him/her/it. They are just generally evil. Your not evil, just wound tighter than a possumm's ass pulled over a drum.

[Charlie Brigden]

DTV = Direct-To-Video, referring more to the UK release, where it was released straight to video while accompanied by a small theater release. But it made its money and notoriety from video.

[girlcreeture]

ALRIGHT

Can we please cut the baiting and the flaming and the nastiness in here, Johnny and Ryan get home soon and you know they no likey when no ones plays NICE so cut the crap.

This is a really tough subject and it can go on and on til the proverbial cows come home, but we may as well refrain from swearing at each other ok?

As for my $0.2 on a rapidly deteriorating subect...

Horror is and will always be an ever evolving artform no matter what medium it's packaged in.

The things you need to take into account are: when was the movie made, by who, and where it did it come from.

Then, equally important is how old were you when you saw it, and what was your mindset was at the time of viewing.

The above is a pretty scientific look at how someone's going to feel about a movie, but it's all relevant.

I really do think that the older a person is the more room for acceptance/appreciation there is when it comes to watching movies.

I'm not saying that if you're young you "won't get it", but you may just be jumping the gun by checking out something like Rosemary's Baby (kudos to whoever brought that up earlier, sorry I can't find your post to quote in all this thread!) or May when you're 16, because they're more like reading a book than watching a movie and that can just be annoying when you're not expecting it.

They're literary films, and horror is full of slow burns like these. And if you hate them now, just remember you may not hate them forever.
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As for ED vs ED2... IMHO Evil Dead is a straight horror movie, and a much better film than ED2, again IMHO.

I adore ED2 but I respect ED more simply because it really is a good and scary movie. I think it's sad that ED is so underappreicated in comparison to ED2 and AoD, because it deserves to be more than a quick afterthought to the more successful comedic sequels.

The thing about ED for though, is I think it must've taken me about 4 viewings and about 3 years for me to fully appreciate ED for what it is, but that's the point isn't it?

The movie will stay the same, but it'll change at the same time, just as much as your tastes will.

[girlcreeture]

Double post grrrr....

[Charlie Brigden]

Well, it'll certainly be quieter now Angelus has been exterminated...

[mrstiffie]

He was? Oh. He was. Too bad. All he had to do was calm down. That happens with age.

girlcreeture: I always had the opposite opinion, I felt 2 was better than 1. Why? I feel that 2 was what they wanted to do in one but were limited. That's a guess, not sure if that's the case. I thought I read somewhere that 2 was a sequel, Bruce saying something like "Ash IS dumb enough to go back to that" but the more I think about it that's not right. Like TCM, the low budgetness (that's a word) of the first made it scarier.

For the record I didn't flame or bait, in case they are looking to moon-spank someone. Those that did I think kept a pretty cool head for most of this debotchery. I think it's funny that what we're talking about has nothing to do with the subject but it's cool that we can do that.

On a lighter note, thinking about it I agree about evolution. Compare the first horror movies (not Nosferatu, that was pretty creepy) but the earlier ones, they we're scary for the time, but not now. As time has passed, I still say the 70's created modern day horror and were better due to the low-quality film and lighting, whereas with computers today they show you everything beautifully lit.

My new philosiphy, which isn't even mine, was said on this board, that a horror movie's success is based not on ticket sales but how it affects people.

[ALIENinfluence]

I'm in total agreement about the 70's. I think the low quality production values had something to do with it, along with Directors (and some studios) that were just more daring. The Directors back then just seemed to have more balls than they do now (this also includes screenwriters). Take your 'possible-end-of-the-world-by-a-giant-_______' type movies. Asteroids,possible nuke war, etc. sometimes they had the nerve to actually end the world in the 70's movies. Now, you watch 'Armageddon' or some similar crap and you know somehow humanity will make it in the end. I just like knowing the possibilty exists that we could all kiss our asses goodbye. Uh, is that weird? :confused:

[mrstiffie]

Yeah! Same reason 'In Search Of..." kicked ass. They could be doing a story on the Easter Bunny and it creeped you out.

ALIEN: What's this I hear they are gonna add new scenes to the upcoming Quadriligy DVD set? You know anything about that?

[ALIENinfluence]

Don't know anything about it, but I have heard that there were scenes cut from the first two "Alien" films that I've seen the stills from. One is Ripley finding Capt. Dallas cocooned inside the Nostromo. (It turns out that the non-queen Aliens could produce a single egg on their own very slowly, but they scrapped that idea later on-it's still in the novels, though) The other scene I know about is Ripley finding Burke in the same condition in "Aliens". Both dudes end up asking Ripley to do away with them and she does so with a flamethrower. If there are scenes being added besides those it's news to me.

[Addix]

mrstiffie:
On a lighter note, thinking about it I agree about evolution. Compare the first horror movies (not Nosferatu, that was pretty creepy) but the earlier ones, they we're scary for the time, but not now. As time has passed, I still say the 70's created modern day horror and were better due to the low-quality film and lighting, whereas with computers today they show you everything beautifully lit.I agree with what you said about the 70's horror films. I think the low-quality film and lighting adds a LOT to the atmosphere. I sometimes feel the same way about DVD as opposed to VHS (even in some "modern" movies) which relates your lighting comment. Sometimes DVD is just too clear and it takes away from the movie. The example that pops into my head is The Ring. Other than the obvious video tape connection, the clearness of the DVD really hurt the movie IMHO. Laugh at me if you want, but the Ring is the first movie to literally have me trying to become one with my seat in a long time. That was in the theater...the DVD just doesn't affect me that way at all. I think a lot of what actually scared me about that movie in the theater was the more grainy look and the thought of "is there something back there?" as opposed to the DVD where you see exactly what is "back there". Blech...I hope that made sense. I have a tendancy to ramble. :p

girlcreeture: I apologize that I allowed Angelus to ruffle my feathers a bit back there. I meant no disrespect to the forums and my intention was not to drag him into a flamefest (as I sincerely stated earlier).

[mrstiffie]

Yeah neither belong, especially if your into the science of the xenos like myself. There was also a scene where the xeno walks like a crab in Alien but it was removed. I heard they are actually shooting some extra scenes to add to each movie, an example I think is the real reason the explosion happened in 3, and maybe the garden scene in 4.

[Z-Man]

girlcreeture:
I adore ED2 but I respect ED more simply because it really is a good and scary movie. I think it's sad that ED is so underappreicated in comparison to ED2 and AoD, because it deserves to be more than a quick afterthought to the more successful comedic sequels.
See, I like ED better than ED2, partially because I think it's a better comedy. It's more subtle. I also like it because it's scary and the eye-gouging and ankle-penciling freak me out every time, and it's amazing what they accomplished on zero budget. And I love ED2, and I like AoD alot, but Evil Dead is the one, baby.

[mrstiffie]

Z-Man as you know I respect everyone's opinion, but I am going to be afraid of you until you give me some examples of comedy in ED. I'm worried you laugh at carwrecks!

And I thought ED kicked ass theater-wise in the UK? I saw that on that 'Incredibly Strage Picture Show' (&lt;--I know that's not the right name) I loved that show. It got me into Jackie Chan!

[girlcreeture]

I know that 99.9 % of the Killings' posters aren't here to get into conflicts with one another, it just bummed me out to see so many affected by the minority, but all seems to be a lot more fine and good at this particular hour...

As for ED, I don't think I've ever really found too much comedy on that one aside from the average laff here and there which can be found in many a "serious" film...I'd love some examples as well.

[Addix]

girlcreeture:
As for ED, I don't think I've ever really found too much comedy on that one aside from the average laff here and there which can be found in many a "serious" film...I'd love some examples as well.Exactly. A lot of horror movies use a little bit of humor here and there to ease the tension a bit. I thought ED actually had less of that than the average. Maybe I need to watch it again (although it really hasn't been all that long since I watched it last).

[Ashxking2001]

The only comedy in Ed is when Bruce muggs for the camera. Hearing him say something like EEEEEEAAAHHHHHHH. is funny but ED2 has more laughs like the Farwell to Arms joke that alot of people didnt get on there first veiwing

[BillJohnson]

Double posted. Sorry.

[BillJohnson]

ALIENinfluence:
Don't know anything about it, but I have heard that there were scenes cut from the first two "Alien" films that I've seen the stills from. One is Ripley finding Capt. Dallas cocooned inside the Nostromo. (It turns out that the non-queen Aliens could produce a single egg on their own very slowly, but they scrapped that idea later on-it's still in the novels, though) The other scene I know about is Ripley finding Burke in the same condition in "Aliens". Both dudes end up asking Ripley to do away with them and she does so with a flamethrower. If there are scenes being added besides those it's news to me.The scene with Dallas is on the laser disc version that I have as well as several other scenes, but I don't remember what they were. They were not added in, but just supplemental material. It was pretty cool to see it though.

[Gruber]

Doesn't Ripley kill Burke with a grenade?

[Dr. Vitus Werdegast]

Man oh man, so much happened since my post at the very beginning of this thing :) jeez.
To join th ED discussion I had pretty much the same response as u girlcreeture, I saw ED2 first and absoultely loved it. It was wild, gory and irreverent and I couldn't get enough...so I rented ED. And I don't think I even finished it I was so disappointed. Now, it is definately my favorite of the 3 and I think a very effective horror film.

[Z-Man]

OK, so now I have to defend my "Evil Dead is funny" position so that people don't think I'm some sick freak. Here goes.

I guess the humor, to me, comes from the extreme nature of the violence. It's SO over-the-top. I think most zombie films have an element of slapstick to them (come on, you don't laugh when the zombie walks into the helicopter blade in Dawn of the Dead?). The eye-gougings, the beheadings, Ash getting splattered with blood, I find it all to be very funny, because it's so unreal and extreme. At the same time, it's not TOO unreal, so there's a tension there: I'm laughing and screaming in sympathetic pain at the same time. But I mean, we're not talking about Henry, Portrait of a Serial Killer here.

And no, I don't laugh at the tree scene, in fact I cringe in terror at it. But even there, you must admit there's a sly wit at work.

[Addix]

Z-Man:
OK, so now I have to defend my "Evil Dead is funny" position so that people don't think I'm some sick freak. Here goes.

I guess the humor, to me, comes from the extreme nature of the violence. It's SO over-the-top. I think most zombie films have an element of slapstick to them (come on, you don't laugh when the zombie walks into the helicopter blade in Dawn of the Dead?). The eye-gougings, the beheadings, Ash getting splattered with blood, I find it all to be very funny, because it's so unreal and extreme. At the same time, it's not TOO unreal, so there's a tension there: I'm laughing and screaming in sympathetic pain at the same time. But I mean, we're not talking about Henry, Portrait of a Serial Killer here.

And no, I don't laugh at the tree scene, in fact I cringe in terror at it. But even there, you must admit there's a sly wit at work.You sick freak! :p

I'll admit, that although the scene is pretty disturbing, I do giggle a bit at the idea of a girl being raped by a tree. Not by the rape part of course, but the tree. It's just so...bizarre. Then again, I'm a weirdo.

[ALIENinfluence]

Z-man is no sick freak! Hell, I laughed at those scenes too,(maybe even the tree-rape :p ) just the way you laugh during the taco restaurant killings in "Toxic Avenger". If Z-man is a sick freak, then I stand by all sick freaks! Have no shame, my friend! :D

[ALIENinfluence]

Addix:
Z-Man:
OK, so now I have to defend my "Evil Dead is funny" position so that people don't think I'm some sick freak. Here goes.

I guess the humor, to me, comes from the extreme nature of the violence. It's SO over-the-top. I think most zombie films have an element of slapstick to them (come on, you don't laugh when the zombie walks into the helicopter blade in Dawn of the Dead?). The eye-gougings, the beheadings, Ash getting splattered with blood, I find it all to be very funny, because it's so unreal and extreme. At the same time, it's not TOO unreal, so there's a tension there: I'm laughing and screaming in sympathetic pain at the same time. But I mean, we're not talking about Henry, Portrait of a Serial Killer here.

And no, I don't laugh at the tree scene, in fact I cringe in terror at it. But even there, you must admit there's a sly wit at work.You sick freak! :p

I'll admit, that although the scene is pretty disturbing, I do giggle a bit at the idea of a girl being raped by a tree. Not by the rape part of course, but the tree. It's just so...bizarre. Then again, I'm a weirdo.Addix IS a weirdo! She gets off thinking about the 'tree' scene. Sort of changes your idea about what a 'woody' is, doesn't it?! :p

[Addix]

ALIENinfluence:
Z-man is no sick freak! Hell, I laughed at those scenes too,(maybe even the tree-rape :p ) just the way you laugh during the taco restaurant killings in "Toxic Avenger". If Z-man is a sick freak, then I stand by all sick freaks! Have no shame, my friend! :D Ok come one. It had to be said! He left himself wide open for...*sigh*...fine, never mind. He's not a sick freak. :p

ALIENinfluence:
Addix IS a weirdo! She gets off thinking about the 'tree' scene. Sort of changes your idea about what a 'woody' is, doesn't it?! :p HAHAHA!! That was just...bad. :D

[bunnymud wants tacos]

The comedy in ED is Bruces' acting

[thedudeabides]

Since Evil Dead is a movie where everything in it is taken to the extreme, many scenes come across as so in-your-face that the gut reaction is to chuckle...then again they are usually followed up by a scene of "gut wrenching horror" (as the papers put it).

Evil Dead 2, no secret here, was played for laughs a bit more...you can tell Raimi was trying to laugh at the seriousness of the first one.

All in all, two great movies...in my opinion, for many different reasons.

[Jamiepoole]

I was terminated because other people wound me up? Yeah, that's REAL fair. Obviously whoever terminated me, well, obviously it was because he disagreed with my opinions rather than the interests in the board, since anyone with eyes could CLEARLY see it was instigated by slater. But whatever...

Addix, I want to apologise to you, I feel kinda bad for what I said to you, but I cant fully apologise because you were one of the people who tried to dismantle my opinions, so yeah....

But oh well, this board is obviously full of people who are basically a bunch of pricks. So yeah, good luck with that guys...

[Capt. Eucalyptus]

Jamiepoole:
But oh well, this board is obviously full of people who are basically a bunch of pricks. So yeah, good luck with that guys...This is why you were "terminated" and why this new/old logon won't last the day.

[Jamiepoole]

I don't want it to. I could easily get a new name or what not, but this board isnt even worth it any more. You guys are full of bullshit, and I am going to pull up a few quotes from other people who started it....

so in clear conciousness: fuck off, you prick :)

[Jamiepoole]

Slater hoards electricity:
I'd be willing to bet that Angelus has never actually watched half of the movies he rips apart on a regular basis. Including Evil Dead.

[Jamiepoole]

El Grosso:
Angelus...

You quite possibly have the worst taste I have ever encountered on the internet or in person. You fucking baffle me, kid.

[Kevin Matchstick]

Kevin Matchstick:
Angelus...

We are from two different worlds. Mine has toothpaste and soap.

[Jamiepoole]

It's ok for them to say that to me, but as soon as I retaliate, I'M the one in the wrong?

Anyway, only came back to apologise to Addix and to tell a lot of you to stop being fucking sheep. Or you can continue to follow each other blindly, like the lemmings you are. Doesn't make an iota of difference to me.

[mrstiffie]

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[Jamiepoole]

mrstiffie:
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[Jamiepoole]

Kevin Matchstick:
Kevin Matchstick:
Angelus...

We are from two different worlds. Mine has toothpaste and soap.Yours also has inbreeding, hence you.

[Eric Binford]

The Second Coming has begun!

Fuckin' repent!

[Capt. Eucalyptus]

When someone calls you a name or disrespects you, that does not give you the right to respond in kind. It's OK for someone to tell you that you have bad taste, but I don't think it's OK for you to klavish someone with foul language when they basically tell you to relax adn grow up.

[Jamiepoole]

capteucalyptus:
When someone calls you a name or disrespects you, that does not give you the right to respond in kind. It's OK for someone to tell you that you have bad taste, but I don't think it's OK for you to klavish someone with foul language when they basically tell you to relax adn grow up.Thats my problem....Im not allowed to say anything, but they can disrespect my taste?????
Thats total bollocks. I went a bit mad at addix, sure, she told me to relax, but did she admonish them for insulting my opinions? No. So it's fair game to me.

[A-Pathetic]

Jamiepoole:
I don't want it to. I could easily get a new name or what not, but this board isnt even worth it any more. You guys are full of bullshit, and I am going to pull up a few quotes from other people who started it....

so in clear conciousness: fuck off, you prick :) You'll be back. Again. You might even fool people for a few weeks next time.

[DarkWolfe]

I think that this is going a tad bit far. Angelus Im not disrespecting your opinions when I say this, but cant you try asking people not to disrespect you without putting down the whole board by saying we are all pricks I believe thats why you were terminated

[mrstiffie]

Jamiepoole:
mrstiffie:
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Is this a new login for an existing member?: not that im aware ofDude when someone tells me I have the worst taste ever, I think its a bit fucking hypocritical to call me on being disrespectful.That was 100% copy and paste. The "Respectful" line is found throughout this site, and what I copied from your profile was to show that you fibbed 'bout not being an exsisting member, but you were honest about being respectful, I have to give you that.
DAMN! He's deleted already! His next nick (yes he'll return) should be Freddy or Jason cause he won't stay dead!

And Addix your still cool but sick, which most of us are. I laugh in "LA Confidential" when the heros are in the basement and they start shooting bad guys in the kneecaps. I also laugh in "Cat's Eye" when the cat "dances" in the electric room, though I deplore animal abuse in all forms.

Concerning Bruce Campbell's overacting: Someone once told him (in a Stuff magazine article) that there was a drinking game based on him: whenever he overacts they take a shot. He said he thought that was dangerous and for people to consume that much alchohol is deadly! :)

And if Angelus is gone, our new topic rate will drop 75%. Who is going to step up to the plate?

[mrstiffie]

Addix:
mrstiffie
[qb]On a lighter note, thinking about it I agree about evolution. Compare the first horror movies (not Nosferatu, that was pretty creepy) but the earlier ones, they we're scary for the time, but not now. As time has passed, I still say the 70's created modern day horror and were better due to the low-quality film and lighting, whereas with computers today they show you everything beautifully lit.I agree with what you said about the 70's horror films. I think the low-quality film and lighting adds a LOT to the atmosphere. I sometimes feel the same way about DVD as opposed to VHS (even in some "modern" movies) which relates your lighting comment. Sometimes DVD is just too clear and it takes away from the movie. The example that pops into my head is The Ring. Other than the obvious video tape connection, the clearness of the DVD really hurt the movie IMHO. Laugh at me if you want, but the Ring is the first movie to literally have me trying to become one with my seat in a long time. That was in the theater...the DVD just doesn't affect me that way at all. I think a lot of what actually scared me about that movie in the theater was the more grainy look and the thought of "is there something back there?" as opposed to the DVD where you see exactly what is "back there". QB]How true! I love DVDs, but there is something creepy about VHS. Is that weird to say? Especially if you grab an older VHs off of the rental shelf and it has a really gory box and you know the tape itself is decades old.

[Addix]

Jamiepoole:
Addix, I want to apologise to you, I feel kinda bad for what I said to you, but I cant fully apologise because you were one of the people who tried to dismantle my opinions, so yeah....Half apology accepted. You can call me a bitch all day if you want and I won't care, I just hate the word cunt (it gives me a skeevy feeling). Btw, I wasn't trying to dismantle your opinions, I just told you not to try to present opinion as fact.

mrstiffie:
And Addix your still cool but sick, which most of us are. Bu...bu...but...it's not like I said I get off to it or anything. *glares at ALIENinfluence* I said I find the idea funny in a "who the hell would think up something like that?" kind of way. Ok, fine...I'm sick. We are all a little sick though or we wouldn't be able to get so much enjoyment out of watching people get butchered and whatnot. Even if it's not real. wink

On a side note, I saw a one-armed man riding a bicycle today and found it to be fucking hilarious. Does that make me a bad person?

[mrstiffie]

Yeah, but you finding it funny is in itself funny, if the act itself is not funny.

[ALIENinfluence]

On a side note, I saw a one-armed man riding a bicycle today and found it to be fucking hilarious. Does that make me a bad person?[/QB][/QUOTE]

Yes, Addix, your'e very VERY bad... I happen to like 'bad girls' though.... TOOT-TOOT! BEEP-BEEP! :p

[mrstiffie]

What's sicker is he saw her laughing and flipped her off...poor bastard, he lost control and swerved off a cliff. The paramedics would have gotten there sooner if Addix had called 911 instead of pointing and laughing...shame shame...

[ALIENinfluence]

mrstiffie:
What's sicker is he saw her laughing and flipped her off...poor bastard, he lost control and swerved off a cliff. The paramedics would have gotten there sooner if Addix had called 911 instead of pointing and laughing...shame shame...Heh. you done earned some stars on that one, friend! Another near cubicle-pissing moment! :)

[Addix]

mrstiffie:
What's sicker is he saw her laughing and flipped her off...poor bastard, he lost control and swerved off a cliff. The paramedics would have gotten there sooner if Addix had called 911 instead of pointing and laughing...shame shame...Heh...you've earned some stars from me as well.

[mrstiffie]

Heh...thanks! I figured if you guys were going to hell I'd ride shotgun.

Did he at least have a chainsaw or a metal glove on the other?

[mrstiffie]

So I'm driving down the road yesterday and a guy on a motorcycle passes me. And I think how absurd it is that a guy with one arm is riding one. God bless anyone overcoming their handicap, but dang! So I start laughing, thinking of Addix laughing. But there's nothing around to laugh at. People are passing me laughing at nothing and staring.

On some other message board somewhere, someone is gonna post "I was laughing at a crazy guy driving, does that make me sick?"

And yes, yes it does.

I find it spongy? Is that a reference to "Things to Do In Denver When Your Dead"?

[Meatrack]

BobClark:
Angelus-
You are young, I can tell. I hope you discover as I did that some horror movies, especially the older ones, become scarier as you get older. The subtext reveals itself after you've had some more life experience under your belt.
Case in point for me- Rosemary's Baby. This is a snorefest for anyone under 20. That's because much of it deals with mature themes like marriage, parenting, and social change. Nothing a teenage boy (or girl) has much firsthand experience with. as you get older you may begin to appreciate the art of golden age horror as well.
Check out some of the older stuff every few years and see how it looks. Hopefully you'll be pleasantly surprised.I can see both sides of the coin on this issue. It is true that most younger people seem to enjoy the newer, flashy, quick cutting films coming out today. On the other hand though I'm a 21 year old college student and I simply can't get enough of the classics. Rosemary's Baby? Absolutely love it! Marriage and parenting are about as far from my mind as possible. My life is essentially based around tests, studying, beer, and freshman (just kidding with that last one....or am I :rolleyes: ) - but I absolutely prefer the "classics" over the new shit.

Basically I just think it all comes down to individual tastes. I've only been a huge horror fan for about 3 years now, but when it comes to classic,independent, or cult films, I'm all over them.

[cart00n]

When it comes to the question whether or not ED is funny (which it is), I have this to say: Killer Bookcases!

Nuff said.

[Straxboy - An Anthony Hickox Film]

And to be fair, Raimi recognizes the recklessness of his youth and pretty much cringes at the tree-rape scene. Having said that, the picture certainly is hysterical (take whichever meaning you will, both apply). And a milestone.

Essentially there's only one real difference between the older and newer generation: age. Nothing else should matter. Nothing else does matter. Each can learn from the other. Each has both shittier and better pictures to hold up in defence of its particular era's productivity.

But I sure will miss the burgeoning black-painted-wall-gazing, amyl-discovering exploits of our favourite teenage vampire-lifestyle and lady-wrestler fan. Still, with Addix and mrstiffie (if that is you real name) onboard, we seem to have a nice intelligent and lively bunch of newbies to fill the marginal void and encourage some serious discussion on the boards.

Rock.

[mrstiffie]

Thanks Straxboy! I appriciate it! Coming from a vet of the boards that means a lot!

I'm sure Addix will thank you when she pauses from laughing at carwrecks. :)

With people like Angelus or beatngu, rather than give them a 1 star rating, I just don't rate. If someone is likable or even if not, if they make good points (even ones I don't like!) I throw em a little somthing.

I've visited these boards for about three years, which is good that I wasn't a member at times, I might have been a real a-hole!

And as for the nick: a teacher gave it to me. He was a guy. Scary, eh? It was 10 years ago (I'm old) and he was showing me the breakthru technology that lets you put your face on a computer screen. At the time I dated a lot and got the rep as such. He put a cartoon bubble over my head that said "I get a stiffie in a jiffy." It stuck and followed me to this day.

For anyone who was nice to me because they thought I was mrs tiffie, I am sorry. No your not gay. And if you are, that's OK.

[mrstiffie]

Kevin Matchstick:
Kevin Matchstick:
Angelus...

We are from two different worlds. Mine has toothpaste and soap.I don't want to start all this up again but...

I don't know what's funnier: The fact Kevin beat him to it by re-posting his own quote or the quote itself! I can't decide! DAMN that's funny!

[DamienThorn]

ED was my first experience in fear.

We saw it in the theater,me and my friends( we were all around 13).I was scare the shit out of my pants.Did I laugh , maybe I gigle like a little lady,because I was so nervous.I was afraid of what was coming next.

So when the next chapter came ED2, I was so exited!
phiouuuuuu! I disliked it so much,It was funny,to funny. Now, with time, I appreciate it more(ED2).

PS
It is with this experience under my belt,that I can really enjoy Fvs Jason

[Addix]

Straxboy Loves Cans-ada:
And to be fair, Raimi recognizes the recklessness of his youth and pretty much cringes at the tree-rape scene. Having said that, the picture certainly is hysterical (take whichever meaning you will, both apply). And a milestone.

Essentially there's only one real difference between the older and newer generation: age. Nothing else should matter. Nothing else does matter. Each can learn from the other. Each has both shittier and better pictures to hold up in defence of its particular era's productivity.

But I sure will miss the burgeoning black-painted-wall-gazing, amyl-discovering exploits of our favourite teenage vampire-lifestyle and lady-wrestler fan. Still, with Addix and mrstiffie (if that is you real name) onboard, we seem to have a nice intelligent and lively bunch of newbies to fill the marginal void and encourage some serious discussion on the boards.

Rock.Sorry...I know this is a little old, but I have been on vacation. Anyways, thank you very much for the compliment. I really means a lot (especially considering how strong the newbie stench is still with me). :D

As for the topic (wouldn't want to spam ya know wink ), I don't think age makes a big difference as long as the youngins are willing to look past the simplicity (ie. no CG, etc) of the older films and can appreciate them for what they are.

[S.D. Bob Plissken]

Don't know anything about it, but I have heard that there were scenes cut from the first two "Alien" films that I've seen the stills from. One is Ripley finding Capt. Dallas cocooned inside the Nostromo. (It turns out that the non-queen Aliens could produce a single egg on their own very slowly, but they scrapped that idea later on-it's still in the novels, though) The other scene I know about is Ripley finding Burke in the same condition in "Aliens". Both dudes end up asking Ripley to do away with them and she does so with a flamethrower. If there are scenes being added besides those it's news to me. The "Cocooned Dallas", a longer death for Harry Dean Stanton, and a couple of other deleted scenes are in fact on the existing Alien DVD as special features. I doubt the Dallas scene will be placed back into the re-release, as it fucks with the series continuity, but the others may be inserted back in.

As for Aliens, all deleted footage was actually placed back into the film on the existing DVD, save for the "Cocooned Burke" scene, which is apparently lost. In it, Ripley finds Burke cocooned (and impregnated?) on the wall in the Queen's lair and sets of a grenade as an act of mercy.

I believe I have read somewhere that the deleted scenes for Alien 3 (which was apparently about 15 or more minutes) and Alien Resurrection have been restored and will be reinserted into the films for the big 9-disc Alien Quadrilogy pack that comes out this fall.

[S.D. Bob Plissken]

I watched the AMC thingie last night and, yes, originally Alien had a scene where Ripley comes across Dallas and HDS (a bit further along in the process) mucked into the bulkhead with Alien-goo and in the process of becoming those nifty Alien eggs. Dallas was still recognisably himself and was conscious enough of Ripley's presence to beg her to off him with her flamethrower. It was rather gruesome, yet, compelling but was deleted because, at the point in the film where this scene was to occur, it was decided that it would have put a damper on the flow of action and would have been a bit off.
Yes, that was the same reason they gave in the commentary for the deleted scene on the DVD.

In Aliens , there was a whole backstory concerning Newt and her family out for a ride beyond the settlement. It was her parents who happened upon the Alien ship during this family outing and it was Newt's father who got slammed with the first facehugger. Boy, that little girl had a good scream going for her - and she's a real hottie, now.---Anyway, there was also some Ripley related stuff about her daughter - nothing that really seemed essential to the film, I gather.All of this, as I stated earlier, and more (17 minutes total) was reinserted into the special edition of the film on DVD. The whole "Newt has no family and Ripley no longer has a daughter" aspect is played up very well and adds to both characters. You also get to see life as normal on LV-426 before the infestation occurred. There are also longer and more battles with the aliens as well, including a cool scene using sentry guns. I've loved the film since I was a small child and felt that all of it added to the film. Anyone who hasn't seen the special edition cut should check it out.

[mrstiffie]

Damn Addix did you ever think of how worried we would be you not telling us where you were? Next time tell us! wink

I didn't know Chow Yun Fat was supposed to be in Alien: Ressurection!? Holy shit! None of the scenes cut from Aliens 1 thru 3 should be put back, period. Except maybe the turrets in Aliens, which they do on TV anyway.