STAR TREK FOOTAGE: THE WRATH OF CHUD
- By Devin Faraci
- Published 11/20/2008
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Today I and about 400 other journalist types gathered at the Paramount lot in Hollywood to see (what I assume is) the final leg of the JJ Abrams Star Trek roadshow. Also in attendance at this installment: Chris Pine, John Cho, Zachary Quinto and Bruce Greenwood. Unfortunately, there were no questions for the director or cast, so all I can tell you about is the footage, which you've already seen described in great detail elsewhere (check out how Empire and Coming Soon described it). Rather than try to replicate the good work other people have done, I'm going to chip in with some opinions.
First up, you should know that I've been skeptical about this film for a little while now. Some of the Paramount PR reps called it 'being mean,' but I feel that I've just been honest. And I've tried to avoid being too nit-picky. At least I like to think that I've avoided this - my concerns about the film aren't about getting costumes or designs right (although I do think that the Enterprise redesign appears to be kind of clunky) but rather things like tone and intentionality. To me the details are superficial, and I'll roll with changes to canon as long as the characters feel right and the tone of the original series is kept intact.
Second, it's important to keep in mind that twenty minutes of footage do not a movie make. There could be 100 other amazing or terrible minutes still waiting to be seen, so I'm not jumping to any conclusions about the final quality of the film. I am only reporting back to you my impressions of what we were shown, mixed in with aspects of what I know about the film from other sources, be they official or otherwise. Impressions that I have gotten from this footage and other sources may be totally wrong, and I could find myself ashamed at the conclusions to which I jumped when I see the finished film next summer. In fact, I hope that the finished film blows me away, because I want nothing more than to have a vital, exciting and commercially viable Star Trek franchise in theaters again.
Third, I'm giving it all a pass on continuity. The film busts established continuity wide open just from the concept - in the classic original series episode Balance of Terror it's established no one in the Federation has ever seen a Romulan, which seems weird when Kirk himself is up against them in this, his first mission - and it plays fast and loose from there. I believe that in the end this won't be an issue, and there are even indications in the twenty minutes of footage that what we're seeing was not in the original continuity (time traveling Old Spock is surprised to run into Scotty at one point, which seems to mean that in his timeline Scotty wasn't on the Enterprise at this time).
The footage we were shown today did not live up to my worst nightmares, but it also did not do much to change my mind about what JJ is doing with this franchise. Reading some of the reports from other journalists, I was horrified by a few of the details - Kirk grabbing Uhura's tits in a bar fight, atrocious jokes that read like lead on paper - but most of the things I hated from those reports are fleeting. Unfortunately, they also tend to accumulate. There's a lot of humor in the footage we saw. Some of it - like almost every line Simon Pegg delivers as Scotty, or Karl Urban's character work as Bones - works. But other bits are cheap, silly slapstick that makes the cheesiest stuff in The Voyage Home play like Oscar Wilde. Kirk has a bad reaction to a shot that Bones gives him and his hands swell up... and then his tongue goes numb. Kirk first meets Pike after being beaten to a pulp in a bar fight, and he has a wise guy movie one liner to give at that moment, laying on his back, blood coming out of his nose.
Again, it's hard to judge the movie based on just these scenes - maybe all the worst gags and one-liners happened to be in these twenty minutes - but something tells me that these characters are going to be about endless 'snappy' banter that's never funny and barely counts as dialogue. This is what screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman bring to all the material they write - terrible, tortured dialogue. They're blockbuster blueprinters, not real writers, and having them on this film is probably the greatest strike against it. Abrams keeps things snappy (maybe too much so? One of the scenes we saw felt like it should have been a character scene but instead played half frantic, like His Girl Friday on a starship), and cinematographer Daniel Mindel really makes the most of the sets he's given (although it should be noted that he shoots the interior of the Enterprise like a dream sequence - all gauzy white lights), but Orci and Kurtzman remain the kind of screenwriters people praise for their structure. They're exactly the sort of writers who are killing Hollywood, the writers whose ideas feel as formatted and predictable and friendly as their Final Draft scripts. They don't write real characters or real situations, and nothing in the footage I saw today indicates that this project brought out anything special.
The thing that most exemplified the lazy writing of Orci and Kurtzman for me was the fact that the Enterprise is shown being built in the middle of a field in Iowa. And it's not just the shipyard that's in Kirk's backyard - so is Starfleet Academy, it seems. Now, maybe all of Starfleet was moved to Iowa in honor of Kirk's late father, killed on the day of our hero's birth by the time-traveling Romulans, but more likely it's there so that Orci and Kurtzman can have Kirk do a Tom Cruise in Top Gun scene where, filled with angst and uncertainty, he drives his motorcycle up to the ship. Whatever 'reason' is given in the movie for having the shipyard in Iowa, the real reason is this shot and the fact that these writers couldn't be bothered to find another way to have Kirk meet the ship (which we don't even need anyway). Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I think scripts should bend to meet the demands of characters and story, not cool shots.
I keep getting hung up on the ship in the field because it's so simply dumb. You wouldn't build a battleship in New Mexico, and you wouldn't build a starship on the ground. That ship is not designed to be launched, and I have to wonder if the neck and the nacelle arms would even be load-bearing in Earth gravity. This indicates to me the film isn't being approached as science fiction but as space opera. Rather than being based on scientific concepts of any sort, no matter how wacky or far-fetched, JJ Abrams' Star Trek seems to be on the Star Wars wavelength, which is fantasy dressed up in science fiction clothes. Another writer noted that Star Trek sent many people to careers in NASA, while Star Wars hasn't. To me there's an honor in Star Trek's science fiction background that is lost when you turn it into space fantasy.
But it really isn't science fiction that'll make the movie work, and no matter how banal Orci and Kurtzman's John McClane with a head injury banter is, it isn't the script that will provide the magic spark that could turn this film into real Star Trek. It's the cast, and their chemistry, that will do that. The good news: Karl Urban is an inspired choice to play Bones. He's just amazing, capturing the crotchety aspects of DeForrest Kelly's performances without doing anything approximating an impersonation. Simon Pegg is great as Scotty, despite this character being written in a way that doesn't at all remind me of the original character. Bruce Greenwood is phenomenal in the few moments he's on screen in this footage, and it's not hard to imagine (and really want) a new Star Trek TV series about the adventures of the Enterprise under Captain Pike. John Cho and Zoe Saldana seem serviceable to good, based on what little I saw. The biggest embarrasment looks to be Anton Yelchin as Chekov. You know you're in trouble when he's introduced as 'that Russian whiz kid' (oh Orci and Kurtzman! Billy Wilder gnaws his fist in ghostly envy), but Yelchin's accent plays like a big, unfunny joke. There's even a gratuitious nod to the 'nuclear wessels' bit in Star Trek IV. I'm really hoping that Chekov has very limited screen time.
Which brings us to the big two (we didn't see enough of Eric Bana as Nero to make any sort of judgment, except that Romulan styles have changed since I last checked in on them). Chris Pine makes a fine enough movie lead, but there wasn't a single moment where I found him Kirk-y. That said, I'm withholding all judgment until I see the full film, if only because Pine has enough charisma and presence to make up for the fact that he's not playing the character 'right.' And who knows, maybe the whole film is the process of getting Kirk to be something like the character I know from the original series. It is worth noting that Kirk's relationship with Uhura in this footage was the sort that troubles me deeply in that I can't imagine these two working together in a professional setting after their interactions here.
I won't withhold judgment against Zachary Quinto, though, who is simply terrible in the role of Spock. I couldn't help but feel that Chevy Chase did a better Spock on Saturday Night Live that Quinto does here. That's taking into account that his version of Spock may be informed by The Cage, the unaired pilot where a young Spock is portrayed as much more emotional and brash (for the record, I don't think it's informed by that at all). Quinto is simply not a very good actor, and having the real Spock in another scene as a comparison point does him no favors.
There are elements in these actors that could prove to be the saving grace of the film, although I'm deeply troubled by the sheer awfulness on display in Quinto's scenes in these 20 minutes of footage.
There's another problem I'm going to have with the movie that seems to be upheld by the footage I saw; in the course of the twenty minutes Bones gets promoted to Chief Medical Officer and Uhura takes over the communications station. I imagine Scotty will wind up running the engine room and, by the finale, we'll have the 'original crew' in place, defeating Nero and working together as the well-oiled team we know from the original series. I really, really hate this. It speaks to a streak of Joseph Cambell-ian myth-making that remains the dominant form of storytelling in our fantastical films. One of the great things about Trek is that these were people who were just assigned together, not folks whose destinies were inextricably linked. If Abrams really wanted to get the original crew in their traditional spots, he probably should have told a story about James Kirk taking over the Enterprise, not a hybrid Starfleet Academy story.
As for the rest of it? Abrams has shot some very nice looking footage,and the action scene between Kirk, Sulu and two Romulans, is engaging if a bit goofy. It opens with a skydive from space with our heroes and a red shirt (who is such a red shirt he should just announce that he's about to die when introduced) - a skydive which oddly creates no friction on their space suits. I'm all for the idea of space suits that can withstand atmospheric reentry, but I couldn't believe that no one thought to put some flames on these guys in post. I guess there's still time to fix this minor, but potentially telling, mistake. Anyway, the fight is well-staged and ends in a thrilling (and yet again, science-busting) climax, all of which looks great. Abrams' TV-director instincts, so painfully obvious in the sub-par Mission: Impossible III, are still here but they're tempered a bit. And they fit the material in a way.
The other journalists with whom I spoke were divided. One other journalist, who will not be named, said, 'If JJ wants to make Space: Above and Beyond The Movie, why not make it?' Others compared it to Starship Troopers, but not favorably, rather talking about the teenybopper aspect of the casting (what's weird is that this cast is, on average, only a little younger than the original cast was in the first season of the original series, which makes sense when you realize this takes place a few years before that. The problem, simply, is that forty years ago adult male actors looked like men. Today they look like college juniors. It's so rare to see a grown 'pretty' actor who looks like an actual man and not a boy). The ones who liked it dismissed what they saw as petty concerns, like the ship being built on the ground in Iowa, and said that the footage looked good. 'I had a good time with it,' someone told me.
And yeah, I guess the footage does look 'fun.' This is a very active Star Trek - not in the sense that the editing is hyperactive but in the sense that every scene we saw had people on the movie, doing things, talking quickly. I think that the 20 minutes of footage sell the concept 'This is not The Next Generation,' which is obviously a good thing, as that shit was boring and talky. But did it sell 'This is the original Star Trek'? I don't know. Not to me. If this film had been called JJ Abrams' Space Adventure I might have walked out of that screening plenty excited, and I think that people with no connection to Trek will probably like this film as a disposable summer entertainment. But I do have a connection with the original Star Trek, and I have to wonder what the point of going to that well is if you're not going to use it properly. I mean, the business side of my brain understands that the point is having a recognizable brand, the same reason anybody remakes anything, but Abrams and company are also fighting an uphill battle against decades of franchise decay. Again, as someone said, he probably should have just made Space: Above and Beyond.
What makes all of this most baffling is the extent of fan service in the film. Rather than just restart the series, Abrams and his writers concoct a time travel story that forces us to place this movie in the context of what has gone before. This isn't like retaining Judi Dench as M when rebooting James Bond in Casino Royale, this is more like having Judi Dench tell Daniel Craig that the last Bond died in action or something. And that aspect of fan service is only compounded by what looks to be a number of winks in the fans' direction with references to the movies and TV show (Sulu seems to fight a Romulan with a sword only because of his famous sword escapades in Naked Time). This is a movie serving two masters, and I wonder why it bothers. There's no way you're going to make nerds like me totally happy - Trek fans are the original detail-oriented nit-pickers - unless you do it right. Not correctly, but right. Abrams should have jettisoned all concerns about continuity and what came before and taken the concept of Star Trek and the characters and done them anew, but right. How Batman Begins did it. How Casino Royale did it. How Superman Returns didn't do it.
Maybe I'm holding JJ Abrams' film up to high standards. That's not a bad thing - why do we expect to just lay down and let every summer blockbuster steamroll over us? Star Trek, at its best, is smarter and more satisfying than that, and there's no reason to expect that Abrams would be doing the same with his movie. There was a lot that was right in what I saw on the Paramount lot - this is going to be the best looking Star Trek film ever, for instance - but there was also stuff that raises an eyebrow. Loud, dumb and fun is fine for Transformers or Mission: Impossible. I'm hoping for something more from Star Trek. And whatever else I see between now and the first press screening of the finished film, I'll be sitting in my seat with an open mind, hoping for nothing but the best.
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Comment #1 (Posted by Aaron T.)
I'd love to see a Star Trek/Planet of the Apes crossover.
Comment #2 (Posted by Frogger)
"Second, it's important to keep in mind that twenty minutes of footage do not a movie make." You are such a douche bag it makes my brain hot.
Comment #3 (Posted by Tom Strong)
Devin you are such an idiot. Any ship designed to withstand phasers and photons would be strong enough to survive Earth's gravity well. Building on the ground is much less expensive than building in orbit where you have to house all the engineers and grunts and work inside of a bulky spacesuit. Use your brain for once.
Comment #4 (Posted by oslowe)
Thanks for yr thoughts, D. I agree w/ you on Urban, he's shockingly good in what footage I've seen. Quinto is terrifyingly bad. Not sure about Pine either... I don't have any residual love for OG Trek like you do, but I'm also pretty convinced that Abrams is the wrong guy to do just about anything, so...
Comment #5 (Posted by Patrick Ripoll)
I never knew that Devin was such a Trek nerd.
Comment #6 (Posted by Cavalier)
Devin is not an idiot, and is in fact spot-on. Building on the ground would be retarded. Zero gravity would be infinitely easier, especially for a culture capable of building space ships in the first place.
I'm a little disappointed with myself for taking the time to comment. But Tom Strong, your stupid was too powerful.
Comment #7 (Posted by Joe LeFors)
ZOMG teh ship is built on earth!1!!!1 FUCK YOU, GEORGE LUCA$H!1!!!
Comment #8 (Posted by atinyspeckofdust)
Watching Kirk, Bones, and Spock sing row row row your boat at the end of Shatner's "the final frontier" sounds much better than this.
Comment #9 (Posted by Knicks)
Devin is not an idiot... but he is not telling the truth. His mind is not open. It CANT BE. He knows too much... has a standard to compare to. That isnt open, it's informed. It will never be open. So don't call it that.
I love Star Trek... but not from such an inside nerd perspective. Thus... it feels about what I want a reboot to feel like. Since I havent seen the footage he has, feelings from the trailer are all I can go by.
Comment #10 (Posted by an unknown user)
Nit-picky bullshit. Didn't read all of it. Takes the fun out of sitting down and watching the movie. This overblown commentary is absolutely unnecessary.
Comment #11 (Posted by Remembers when star trek had mini skirts)
At least the mini skirts are back. TNG had them for a while then POOF where'd my minis go?
Comment #12 (Posted by Mark)
#3, the ship is not strong enough to withstand phasers without shields. Whenever you see a ship in Star Trek under attack without shields it's like a hot knife through butter.
Comment #13 (Posted by BEARison Ford)
Devin's point of "20 minutes does not make or break a movie" is somewhat interesting considering how much he's been blowing Watchmen based on the same thing. I honestly could give a fuck about Star Trek or JJ Abrams, and personally have a lot more invested in Watchmen but it's pretty funny that there seems to be such a huge swing in Watchmen's favor when it looks like it could be just as on the fence as this.
Comment #14 (Posted by Devin's left nut)
Damn, Devin sure did spend a lot of time writing this drivel.
He should have just written "I think this movie will suck!" and we would have gotten just as much out of it.
Comment #15 (Posted by peter veniscofski)
you should have nothing but the best to expect from star trek. Maybe when 20 and 30 and even 40 somethings start begging mommy for a new star trek toy, and break it the next day so daddy has to buy a new one the day after ..... the studios will give us a movie we want instead.
Comment #16 (Posted by N. Repellant)
Devin, for a guy that's so far up Harry Potter's ass, you think you'd learn to chill yourself out a little and not take the film as a personal affront to YOUR fanboyish wanktitude. Is this the kind of "commentary" and "analysis" that CHUD's aspiring to now? Lovely.
Comment #17 (Posted by mike s)
BEARison Ford: "Devin's point of "20 minutes does not make or break a movie" is somewhat interesting considering.." For god's sake people he makes it very clear that what he's basically sayings is something akin to: "based on 20 minutes watchmen looks very good. Based on 20 minutes Star Trek there's some weird tone issues which are the following". And being nit-picky is the job. That's his job. To sit down and analyze something with some kind of perspective. If you want non thought out reaction of "ooh neat!" or "it sucks" go read AICN. Don't get me wrong, that has it's place too and I like AICN's general enthusiasm, but as much as you guys see this all as complaining I see it all as rational depth. Personally? I have no interest in the Star Trek canon. I thought the Wrath of Kahn was a decent movie and that's about it. The trailer looked a little more frenetic than the stuff I normally like but that's about all I got.
Comment #18 (Posted by an unknown user)
So cute that Devin is still clinging to the dream that he is somehow a 'journalist'. Yup, you and Ben Lyons.
Comment #19 (Posted by an unknown user)
Thanks for the useless fucking article. Please get a job.
Comment #20 (Posted by Terry Erickson)
From the trailer, it felt like an odd combination of Harry Potter and the new Battlestar Galactica, which, to me at least, seems pretty awesome.
Comment #21 (Posted by Soup)
Fans will hate it, everyone else will love it, it will make 400 bajillion dollars, they'll make 40 sequals prequals and a few companion stories and everything from TOS to SE:E will be forgotten by everyone except the fanboys. No one cares what the fanboys of ANYTHING think. They want the Mainstream.
Comment #22 (Posted by Morgan)
"They're blockbuster blueprinters, not real writers, and having them on this film is probably the greatest strike against it." Thank you, Mr. Faraci. You pretty much hit the nail on the head right here. Fuck the Devin-haters, too. This is just about as measured and even-handed as I've seen online.
Comment #23 (Posted by an unknown user)
"Quinto is simply not a very good actor"
That's rich coming from a guy who thinks Seth Rogen should be considered an "actor".
Comment #24 (Posted by Par for the Intercourse)
"It's not watchmen and JJ hasn't sucked my cock everytime I demanded it so I hate it" -Devin. That's a QUOTE people, as is proven by the quotation marks.
Comment #25 (Posted by Jack)
Devin, I agree with you that we all deserve a great Star Trek film and just not a fun B popcorn flick like Transformers and MI:III. From the trailer, and the footage you described it sounds overall promising. I like the fact that it will have humour in it and it should because I dont want to see it take itself to seriously, but the gags you describe sound like they could fall flat. Also, I thought Quinto looked fine from the trailer but maybe they only showed good parts. I think it will be pretty good, I am not saying it will be great because I hate Ahton Yelchin. I also like that there making an action packed Star Trek, Star Trek needs a breath of fresh air and a shit load of expolosions.
Comment #26 (Posted by Matt)
Why don't you just pretend this movie doesn't even exist since you're bound and determined to hate it?
Here, I'll write your review of it of it for you: "I hated it. Fuck this movie's eyes and fuck J.J. Abrams for not making the exact movie I wanted him to, not that I knew what that was."
Another thing, save all your snide ass bullshit other fanbases. If you ever get the urge to make fun of say...."Twilight" fans or Browncoats or Star Wars fans or even the real scrapers like "Stargate" fans and "Space: 1999" fans? Write your bullshit down on a piece of paper and cram it up your ass. You've just displayed every single fucking annoying trait of the fanboy and may as well start every single piece you write about properties you don't like with: "I'm Devin Faraci and I'm a fucking hypocrite, please disregard everything I say past this point."
Comment #27 (Posted by Devinsucks)
Devin, you sure spend a lot of time whining and moaning about 20 minutes of a movie that is exactly what we would expect from JJ Abrams. And yet you also spend eons of time on Watchmen, which does look very good, but it's also based on an incomplete view you have of the entire movie.
You never have an open mind. Don't try and pretend that you do. You hate what you pre-determine is crap, and you squeeze off all over what you pre-determine is all amazing.
Seth Rogen sucks.
Harry Potter is ok, but not as good as you say.
This Star Trek won't be the same as the old stuff, that is obvious. So why write this giant article on something so fucking obvious?
Try working out, and getting in shape instead of sitting on your ass writing meaningless bull shit, which is kind of what I am doing right now.
Bye!
Comment #28 (Posted by Phasers On Stun)
Fantastic article!
Comment #29 (Posted by Are you for real?)
Is there anything you do like these days that's mainstream? And do you actually like anybody other than those who agree with you? Doesn't look like it since almost everyone one of you article declares that people are stupid if they like something you don't. Anyway, footage looks good and I'll be there with an open mind. The problem is this franchise has a lot of baggage, and people like their baggage. We'll see...
And why is it that you decide that 20 minutes of this isn't enough for you to decide (although you already have, no subtlety here) and the footage you've see of Watchmen indicates it's the second coming?
Comment #30 (Posted by George Day)
Wow, this is an odd review, the amount of time spent on "built on earth" is strange.it's a ship that goes faster than light in a film featuring time travel - who cares ?
Do all trekkers (that's the right word in't it) get so hung up on such stuff? no wonder they get called nerds.
I can see why the studio wants to attract a mainstream audience if the fans get so fixated on stuff like that.
The trailer looks interesting - this is the first trek film I'm going to be paying to see.
Comment #31 (Posted by Lucas)
Great analysis –it's definitely appreciated. What a lot of the posters here need to realize it that when you're exposed to as many formula-made films as the writers on this site, you're bound to see the forest for the trees. And those trees, my friends, are made of lies. Hollywood movies suck in general, and as a viewer and a critic (everyone is one) you've got to learn to approach every potentially good film as a potentially bad one, or you'll be disappointed, more often than not. I thought Devin presented an extremely balanced review, based on what he saw. Which is a lot more than what any of us have seen.
Comment #32 (Posted by Lucas)
Great analysis –it's definitely appreciated. What a lot of the posters here need to realize it that when you're exposed to as many formula-made films as the writers on this site, you're bound to see the forest for the trees. And those trees, my friends, are made of lies. Hollywood movies suck in general, and as a viewer and a critic (everyone is one) you've got to learn to approach every potentially good film as a potentially bad one, or you'll be disappointed, more often than not. I thought Devin presented an extremely balanced review, based on what he saw. Which is a lot more than what any of us have seen.
Comment #33 (Posted by C8)
Thanks for the info, Devin. I share a lot of your concerns but am hoping for the best.
Comment #34 (Posted by badger)
very informative, pity theres so much hate floating around here...
Comment #35 (Posted by DevinsFetishBoi)
God dammit you're a faggot Devin. Your opinion, like your much assaulted asshole stinks. Just because no ones handing you any free shit, or some cash incentives, you have to play the bloated fan boy douche card. Well, congrads. You've proven that anyone, even a fat, sweaty, baby huey, pederast like you, can make a fool of themselves on line.
Comment #36 (Posted by wrlord)
"[F]orty years ago adult male actors looked like men. Today they look like college juniors."
Truer words were ne'er spoke.
I want to know what Doctor McCoy is doing as a Starfleet cadet, when we all know doctors don't go to the academy to get commissioned as officers.
And how is Chekov, 15 years Kirk's junior, at the academy at the same time as Kirk?
Comment #37 (Posted by Joe)
It'll suck, it'll fail and it will lose money - such is inevitable.
Comment #38 (Posted by JJSucks)
Devin just wishes he was famous... look at me, I saw Spielberg once! He listens to me! Oh, and I'm fat! I'm Devin, I'm really smart but really I'm a cynical, nitpicking preteen pubescent who judges everything before I see it. Then I pat myself on the back and yell at the readers who let me do my "job." I'd love to see Devin try to make a movie... like that pos Grizzly Park that some other CHUD loser crapped out. Criticize all you want, but you'll never be anything aside from an annoying fly buzzing at a horse's ass.
Comment #39 (Posted by David)
For some reason my comment got posted in "The Spirit' page. Don't know how that happened... Here is it again....
Of COURSE they're assembling the Enterprise in Iowa. After all, 'If they build it, he will come'. But seriously, if you sift through all of the interminable length of Star Trek V, there are a least 20 minutes of good scenes (the Lawrence of Arabia-like pre-credit sequence and McCoy's Sybok-inflenced meltdown over his father's death immediately come to mind) that completely bely the shit-fest that Final Frontier truly was. Taking that into account, if Abrams and Co. can't pull together a third of an hour of footage that, in a positive way, suggests a tone that is anything more than a generic sci-fi/fantasy flick there may be cause for concern. To this viewer's point of view, I still think Nicolas Meyer is the only person who had a handle on the essence of Trek - but with that being said, this is probably the most interested I've been in a Star Trek film since First Contact. I just hope the new creative team doesn't drop the ball.
Comment #40 (Posted by The Samsonite Maneouvre)
@#15 - WTF!? I'll buy my own fucking toys! And break them too if'n I want...
@ Devin - Liked the "Blueprinters" bit too. They can build a movie fine, but it's like every line and idea comes with the caveat: "like this, but good/funny/scary/moving/sexy".
Comment #41 (Posted by Paul)
Oddly very close to a rant I made to some friends the other day. Star Trek without some sort of root in science is going against the grain. that's my biggest concern, is that those involved just don't GET the source material.
great article.
Comment #42 (Posted by Phil)
I think his concerns are legitimate. I was hoping to look forward to this film, but the trailer made it out to be nothing more than typical action movie tripe.
Transformers is enjoyable if you shut your brain off; given Star Trek's history I'm just not willing to do that with this film.
And yes, building the Enterprise on the ground is stupid. There's a reason why Drydock was in space to begin with.
Comment #43 (Posted by Jeffrey's Tube)
Devin put into fine words what has been bothering me about the trailers and the snippets I've been reading- Not just the lame time travel nonsense, but the need for the Joseph Campbell Hero's journey destiny bullflop. And too many people have been throwing around comparisons to Star Wars for me to be comfortable, I want some science in my science fiction. I'm still anticipating this one, but the more that is coming to light, the more dread is building. Hopefully this reset business is also not true, goes nowhere, does nothing.
Comment #44 (Posted by Watchmen! Batman Begins! Human being with opinions)
Fuck you Devin! You liked the Original Series and certain aspects of it and you hope those certain aspects translate to the new movie! And that makes you a fucking hypocrite and fat and not a real reviewer! Why can't you be a robot like real critics?
Comment #45 (Posted by Spacehamster)
I'd much rather have an eloquently expressed negative opinion than the "It's gonna suck" that I see elsewhere. I think Devin's article pretty much summarizes up the concerns that many fans have about this new film. I think it's a dumbed-down populist retelling of Trek - rather like the New Doctor Who series. Even if the film does well, I think hardcore Trek fans (like Devin) will desert the franchise in droves because it's not their Trek. But JJ Abrams has obviously decided that keeping the franchise fresh is worth alienating old fans to attact new ones.
I disagree with Devin when he hopes a Trek film will be successful. Global warming, terrorism and bigotry run rampant. Everybody believes the world is doomed. Trek will never be successful again because its message of optimism and hope isn't what people want to hear right now.
And that's why the new Trek film will flop at the box office. A by-the-numbers predictable script, a dumbed-down plot, miscast actors and a society that knows it's doomed and doesn't want to hear otherwise. Why else would BSG be so popular right now?
Comment #46 (Posted by HireSinger)
BRYAN SINGER for TREK 12
Comment #47 (Posted by Killah Mate)
Yeah, really guys. I had *no idea* so many people hated Devin until they installed the comments section. Did he fuck their moms or something? I'm serious; I've been reading his articles for years now and I can't figure out what pisses them off so much.
I mean, do I disagree with him? Fuck yeah, and often. Do I respect his opinion? Totally. Why? Because *I can always see where he's coming from*. He thinks about shit, then he comes to conclusions, and he always explains it well. He's not a fanboy, or a plant.
Now, re:Trek, once again he hit both key points that have been troubling me - one, Orci and Kurtzman aren't sci-fi writers, they're Hollywood scripters. And as a result, two, the trailer I saw wasn't Star Trek, it was fucking Star Wars.
People who say the trailer was "fun" and "action packed" - yeah, that's great, but I get that from every other space opera. Star Trek is supposed to have brains. Can't say I've seen any.
PS Urban being good is a pleasant surprise, but too bad Quinto sucks. I had hopes.
PS2 Building Enterprise in Iowa is simply used as an indicator that the writers have no grasp of physics, engineering, or science in general.
PS3 To people who say "who cares about science as long as it's fun, you're nitpicking":
GO FUCK YOURSELF. IF ONE IS GOING TO MAKE A SCIENCE FICTION MOVIE, ONE SHOULD PUT SOME FUCKING SCIENCE IN IT.
Comment #48 (Posted by unkown user is such an ass)
Where'd all this hilarious Devin hazing come from? Well, I for one come to this webpagezine to hear Devin speak even when he's wrong. Wrong or retarded, I love Devin! Fuck Star trek, who cares? Tell me when they make a new one after this one. I'm waiting for The Hobbit. And that will be awesome.
Comment #49 (Posted by masterbrocksamson)
I want Crispin Glover to direct the next Trek film, of course, if this one does well...
Comment #50 (Posted by Mut)
I think it's funny that people can complain about "Star Wars" or "Indiana Jones" being screwed over, and that's okay, but when it comes to "Star Trek," the fans are all just "whiners" and "nerds." Yeesh. Anyway, this article pretty much sums up all my concerns about this movie. I'm still hoping to be pleasantly surprised, but the chances seem pretty fucking slim.
Comment #51 (Posted by Johnny)
Batman Begins and Casino Royale did keep the spiirit of the characters right and this sure doesn't seem like it. Amen to that what a great piece Devin. As for Quinto I feared the same thing and fuck Spock is too important to give to an ametuer.
Comment #52 (Posted by Fenris)
Crap. Thanks Devin for ennunciating my worst fears for this movie. That JJ was going to try to keep it in the universe that is crippling the Star Trek mythos. Too many geeks are fixated on making the TV series the penultamate of Star Trek. It was how many years ago? Let it go already! I can understand being true to the charicters, but archtypes CAN be used to tell different/better stories. The "Spock goes back in time" thing is depressing. Here's hoping this is a springboard/just enough of a nod to fans to move in a better direction
Comment #53 (Posted by Jack Rabbit)
Heh. I could have sworn people were shitting themselves silly because Karl Urban had been cast, and cast as Bones. And what do you know, he's, apparently, amazing in the role. Good for him. And fuck the needless doubting before there was ever any footage.
Comment #54 (Posted by an unknown user)
"Wow, this is an odd review, the amount of time spent on "built on earth" is strange.it's a ship that goes faster than light in a film featuring time travel - who cares ?" - EXACTLY. It's a movie with teleporter technology, for the love of fuck. And moving the site of Starfleet to Iowa isn't just for a "cool shot" - something you seem very sure of, despite seeing a fraction of the movie. If it gives Kirk some impetus, some tangible representation of how he can better himself, then it serves a narrative purpose. Sticking to a canon that only nerds care about would be creatively bankrupt. Bitching about this stuff just makes Devin - and by extension the site - look really pathetic.
Comment #55 (Posted by Bryan)
Hey this is director Bryan singer and I was wondering if you could all help me get the job directing the next 'STAR TREK' film.
BRYAN SINGER for TREK 12.
BRYAN SINGER for TREK 12.
BRYAN SINGER for TREK 12.
BRYAN SINGER for TREK 12.
BRYAN SINGER for TREK 12.
BRYAN SINGER for TREK 12.
BRYAN SINGER for TREK 12.
BRYAN SINGER for TREK 12.
BRYAN SINGER for TREK 12.
BRYAN SINGER for TREK 12.
Comment #56 (Posted by Associate_of_the_Singman)
Hello. That was Bryan Singer and he was wondering if you could all do your part to get him in the directors chair for the next 'STAR TREK' film. Go see 'Valkyrie' as well... its Trek-tastic.
Comment #57 (Posted by Bryans #2)
Not sure if you know this but if Bryan Singer directs the sequel to this movie Christ will come back to earth. That is all.
Comment #58 (Posted by Plankton)
You want to read a real commentary? Go to Trekmovie.com and read Anthony's column. No unfounded hate there. Just accurate analysis, while still pointing out those aspects that are questionable but not definitely bad (due to there only being 20 minutes of footage from nonconsecutive sceenes).
Comment #59 (Posted by Gamera Jr.)
Star Trek has always been pulpy nonsense. Trekkies have been deluding themselves for decades.
Comment #60 (Posted by JJ Abramovitch)
Well, this sounds much like "Lost in Space: The Movie". Fun thing is, I somewhat enjoyed "Lost in Space: The Movie", never saw the series and didn't ever feel the need to... but I doubt this will happen here.
Comment #61 (Posted by Josh)
What bugs me is that Kirk and Spock look like fucking half-brothers or something. And they both have that WB pretty boy look that seems antithetical to integrity. When will that look die already? The shots with both of them next to each other look like fucking blue jean ads. I'd rather see Simon Pegg play Kirk. And now you tell me Spock is a bad actor on top of it? Oh yea, and they got Charlie Bartlett in there. Wtf...
Comment #62 (Posted by Santa)
"Star Trek has always been pulpy nonsense. Trekkies have been deluding themselves for decades."
Hahahahaha! Asshole.

