YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG, DAY SIXTEEN
- By Alex Riviello
- Published 04/21/2008
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You and I and all those people out there with a vocal love of film have ruined it for everyone, pimping movies up, falling in love with mediocre films and championing them to near-legendary status. We've embraced turkeys, legitimized borderline movies, and elevated modest films in our favorite franchises above and beyond realistic standards. We've even embraced the films everyone likes, somehow adding a credibility to them that transcends the mainstream. Sacred cows, little flicks, and everything in between. It's time we took a look inward and came clean with 25 movies we think need to be taken down a peg or two.
These are our four categories for this list:
OVERRATED
These guys have had it too easy. Far too easy. Don't believe the insane hype.
OVERBLOWN
Good flicks that have gotten too damn big for their britches.
MISUNDERSTOOD
Asshole, you love this film for all the wrong reasons.
WHAT THE FUCK
Something went horribly wrong here, and it's carried over to the fans, who are blinded by shizer.
These guys have had it too easy. Far too easy. Don't believe the insane hype.
OVERBLOWN
Good flicks that have gotten too damn big for their britches.
MISUNDERSTOOD
Asshole, you love this film for all the wrong reasons.
WHAT THE FUCK
Something went horribly wrong here, and it's carried over to the fans, who are blinded by shizer.
CHUD's Logline: Fog rolls into town. Fog.... with PIRATES. Red-eyed pirates that kill at whim while John Carpenter tinkles on a keyboard. Meanwhile, Adrienne Barbeau tells the Warriors to keep on lookin' good, and Tom Atkins drinks whiskey.Its Legacy: Carpenter's second box office smash. Ruined dreams about seeing Jamie Lee Curtis in a film with her mother. A long prolific acting career by Rob Bottin. Overuse of fog machines in horror films. An incredibly bad remake.
Why It's Here: Horror fans have notoriously hazy memories. Any old film that showed even a second of promise is looked back on fondly, and the word classic is thrown around on too many films that don't deserve it. By all regards, The Fog should've worked... John Carpenter did know better back then.
Before I get started let me just say that Carpenter's probably my favorite director of all time. I find his films infinitely rewatchable, and he's got a good 3 or 4 up there in my top ten list. I can find something good in every one of his films (with the exception of Pro-Life...). But you know what? No one's going to be considering Ghosts of Mars a classic in 20 years. Why so with The Fog? At least Ghosts of Mars is fun...
The one thing The Fog has in spades is atmosphere, of that there's no doubt. But it's almost as if Carpenter didn't know where to go after Halloween, and instead made the exact same film all over again. The same themes are explored here- the faceless menace coming back to small town America, the innocent people at risk. Foreshadowing the ripoffs of his own film that were in the pipeline, Carpenter decided to add some gore to the mix this time, as if to give his detractors something to really be able to complain about (have you seen Halloween lately? Not a whole lot of the red stuff there...)
So while it could've at least been an entertaining film, besides some decent scares there's nothing that'll keep your interest. For much of the running time it's a boring, plodding film, and once you realize what's in the fog and why, the horror of the unknown vanishes and you're left with goofy ghost pirates attacking people for no good reason. There's nothing here that'd ever let on that it was made by the same director as Halloween and The Thing.
Even Carpenter realized how weak the film was... after watching it he went back to shoot a ton of new footage to try and save the film, including the beginning scene where the sailors tell the backstory and get picked off. It doesn't work, obviously, but at least it shows the director knew what he had made (which is more than you can say about most horror fans.).
Ironically, this is what led him to agree to the 2005 remake, because he wanted to see it done right. Perhaps they shouldn't have gotten the director of Blank Check to do it. Poor Carpenter just can't get his shit together the last few years, eh?
A Moment of Piss: Jamie Lee Curtis- "Bad things seem to happen to me." Oh ho ho! Way to take us out of the film!
These Ain't Chopped Liver Alternatives: The Mist, Dead and Buried, The Changeling, and the Collective Works of John Carpenter (with the exception of Pro-Life, which is an abortion).
Nick Nunziata Agrees: The problem with The Fog is that it’s a Carpenter film. It’s lumped in with his classic works when in reality it’s a pretty good film with some great atmospheric moments [and Tom Atkins!] but one that is paced like an unmotivated glacier and with a great concept that is executed at about only 70% effectiveness. It’s such an iconic title. The artwork and trailer and the whole vibe of the movie is ominous and reeks of “classic ghost story”. And then there’s the John Carpenter factor. I truly feel that a lot of the love this film gets is piggybacked on his truly classic works, and this one to me is a bit more minor. It was one of his few films I thought a remake might have been good for, but obviously that’s not the case.
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Comment #1 (Posted by eric)
first (erickoziatek@hotmail.com)
Comment #2 (Posted by NotTheRealMoriarty)
"...(with the exception of Pro-Life, which is an abortion)."
"The medium would be in much better shape today if film students were forced to watch everything Carpenter did (for the big screen)"
::Sniff:: The whole point of this is to make me cry, isn't it? ISN'T IT?
Comment #3 (Posted by Julian)
I gotta agree, Carp's also my favourite director, but I feel this is his weakest flick up to They Live! As was mentioned, the atmosphere is definitely there, the soundtrack is great, and the film is beautifully shot, just the story line never quite comes together. Even on the interviews on the Special edition John seems resigned to the fact that the film, though probably improved by the re-shoots is still not so hot.
Comment #4 (Posted by Aaron)
I disagree with everything you said except for the film's pacing. It is a bit slow at times, but not so much that the film is boring.
Comment #5 (Posted by spaza)
"The one thing The Fog has in spades is atmosphere"
D'OH!
Comment #6 (Posted by Feo)
The Fog overrated? You are stupid.
Comment #7 (Posted by The Mutt)
I found it slow and obvious. Few scares. Weak acting. Poor use of Adrienne's Barbeau.
One of Carpenter's weakest efforts.
Comment #8 (Posted by Patrick)
I would have to agree it's overrated. I remember beeing underwhelmed when I rewatched it after 10 years on DVD. The story definitly plods along, and the Fog isn't nearly as menacing as it could be. Definitly an early misfire from Carpenter.
Comment #9 (Posted by The Green Gobbler)
Overrated? I NEVER hear anyone talk about 'The Fog' exceprt for the folks like me who love it. I mean, I can't recall a single show/magazine/interview where this film was hailed as a classic. I think it's a great film shot in a classic way. For the genre, it's one of the best. It might not be perfect, but it trumps almost any film out there that deals with the subject matter apart from 'The Haunting', 'Poltergeist', and 'The Shining'. Agian, Jeremy comesa through in the clutch.
Comment #10 (Posted by RCA)
I agree this is one of the least talked about Carpenter movie, but there is a reason for it. It's just not that good. Sure I would watch it again if I am bored, but there are so many other movies that I would reccomend to someone, Carpenter's or other, than this one, in terms of "atomspheric" horror. I didn't even think this was rated very highly, let alone overrated. Surprised it is on here.
Comment #11 (Posted by chud is overrated)
See what i did there? Seriously, though, the next time you say a movie is overrated maybe you should take a paragraph to explain exactly who is overrating it. Because I don't know a single person that considers this a classic. Some nameless, faceless, generic horror fan out there who loves it doesn't exactly hold sway in arguing its overrated.
Its almost like you picked movies you wanted to pick apart then had to figure out later how to catagorizre them so you could do this list. To me, the arguments against the film seem to place it in the "WTF" category - something went wrong but the fans of the film are blind to it.
Comment #12 (Posted by ado)
Haha, he said ghosts of mars is fun. Thats where I stopped reading.
Comment #13 (Posted by Master of Horror)
I love when people drop anecdotal evidence into a conversation like its the end all be all. Don't know anybody who likes The Fog? Whooptie-damn-doo, it's a big ol world out there. Do have to agree this entry was a mistep. You're only doing 25-so each selection needs to pack a whollop and knock off socks. You want a questioning of taste and belief system. Instead, the arguement stumbled out of the gate, withered on the vine. It was an intellectual hoe down-and all you brought to the party was non-alcholic beer. Alex seemed to especially stumble, temporarily at least, showing a lack of understanding of what makes true horror. Keep in mind, anytime you bring up Ghosts of Mars in a positive light, no matter the arguement, youre losing!
Comment #14 (Posted by Alex Riviello)
Hey, a soundtrack by Scott Ian, Ice Cube trying to be a badass against the People Under the Stairs, and Pam Grier's head on a pike. What's not to like?
Comment #15 (Posted by Foggy Logic)
Hey Alex (thanks for responding to the people). Watch Ghosts of Mars again, back-to-back with The Fog & Assault on Precinct 13. If you still walk away prefering Ghosts...well, I'll pray hard for your soul. They say Jesus forgives and all. (Can't believe you didn't think the Fog was fun. Not only is the last 30 min. suspenseful as hell, but I'm cracking up whenever Adrianne gets hysterical, screaming into the radio "My son is trapped in THE FOG!!!!!")
Comment #16 (Posted by dreary louse)
I barely knew this existed, nevermind it being considered a cult classic (unless you think everything Carpenter made in his heyday is worthwhile).
Comment #17 (Posted by Ryan Rotten)
Disagree. "The Fog" I hold highly in my top ten faves (not top 10 "best" which is a different list altogether). Atmosphere, pacing, Mrs. Kobritz shish-kabob, the score, Atkins bedding Curtis within 13 hours time, Barbeau purring radio voice...it all works for me. This has some genuinely creepy stuff. However, I can see how it turns people off, too. That said, I'm a proud supporter of "Ghosts of Mars" and everything that's terrible about it. Nothing cracks me up more than Jason Statham watching, from a hill-top, a bunch of martian-possessed colonists chanting in a group. In his cool way, all Statham can say into his radio is, "Guys, we've got a SITUATION here." Oh, and that model train and soundtrack rule all.
Comment #18 (Posted by Hal Hartley)
John Carpenter doesn't like John Landis cause he's a jew. He does like Cronenberg however, stating that he is, "one of the good ones."
Comment #19 (Posted by Assault on List Day 16)
Can we put an end to calling deliberately paced films slow. That's such a pedestrian complaint. The Fog is exceptionally atmospheric, like few are today. Carpenter allows the movie to breathe. A lost art among even the best working in the genre. Seems only Jeremy understands. (If any Carpenter deserves to be on the list its THEY LIVE. A poorly executed Twilight zone episode. Casting a pro wrestler with no acting ability whatsoever was dumb(think how good Russell would've been in the role) He kills the movie)
Comment #20 (Posted by davehouston)
What sells this films is Barbeau boobage.
Comment #21 (Posted by Johnny Daywalker)
OVERRATED
These guys have had it too easy. Far too easy. Don't believe the insane hype..................................Ok insane hype with The Fog? Where? When? In what Faraci colon dimension? This is a fucking lame choice period. Jeremy continues to hand out the truth preach on brother.
Comment #22 (Posted by The Fog 2: Electric Boogaloo)
Yeah, let's attack an unconventional, scary horror movie that flies under joe and jane teenfuck america's radar. What's next? Witchfinder General? Piss poor.
Comment #23 (Posted by dave)
I didnt even know people liked this movie. Carpenter hasnt had his shit together since In the Mouth of Madness. Whatever, this is the lamest entry so far.

