YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG, DAY THREE
- By Andre Dellamorte
- Published 04/2/2008
- Lists

You and I and all those people out there with a vocal love of film have ruined it for everyone, pimping movies up, falling in love with mediocre films and championing them to near-legendary status. We've embraced turkeys, legitimized borderline movies, and elevated modest films in our favorite franchises above and beyond realistic standards. We've even embraced the films everyone likes, somehow adding a credibility to them that transcends the mainstream. Sacred cows, little flicks, and everything in between. It's time we took a look inward and came clean with 25 movies we think need to be taken down a peg or two.
These are our four categories for this list:
These are our four categories for this list:
OVERRATED
These guys have had it too easy. Far too easy. Don't believe the insane hype.
OVERBLOWN
Good flicks that have gotten too damn big for their britches.
MISUNDERSTOOD
Asshole, you love this film for all the wrong reasons.
WHAT THE FUCK
Something went horribly wrong here and it's carried over the the fans, who are blinded by shizer.
Why Clerks is Overblown (37 Times)
Your guide: Andre Dellamorte
CHUD's Logline: Necrophilia, drug sales, egg counting, roof hockey, Russian heavy metal, snowballing, Navy Seals jokes. All in the day of two guys who would rather be talking about the minutia of Star Wars and whining about girls. Also: People talk, nothing really happens.
Its Legacy: Gave hope to too many would-be filmmakers who thought "hey, if I just tell my story and insert dick jokes, I can make it." Started the distaste for Star Wars fandom. Proved to be one of the final nails in the indie coffin. Gave us a sequel that had Rosario Dawson talking about going ass to mouth (not necessarily the worst thing). Gave Kevin Smith his following, and then led him to write a review of The Phantom Menace for Chud (and Attack of the Clones for Film Comment. Step down, that). Led to the Askewniverse, which God closed the book on, and then when Smith's well ran dry was re-opened for one of the least necessary (and most depressing) sequels since Eddie and the Cruisers II: Eddie Lives. Gave Jason Mewes enough success to pursue a serious drug addiction (since recovered). Fought the MPAA over a rating given soley for language. Won.
Why It's Here: Other than his ravenous (and, as I'm told, often smelly) fanbase, at this juncture it's downright easier to bash Kevin Smith than to praise him. Post-Chasing Amy, there was hope the man might actually have something to say if he could figure out third acts, but once Dogma arrived, all hope was lost. I mean, really, it's a pretty impressive thing to direct both Alan Rickman and Chris Rock to their worst performances. And after that he regressed to complete what he felt was his previous world - the Jersey films - but has since flailed about trying to figure out what movies to make, with nothing breaking out beyond his base. With Seth Rogen starring in his latest, he's really got one last shot to prove he has anything to say. But - let's set the wayback clocks - in 1994 he was a Sundance kid who got noticed by John Pierson. And Pierson saw the film as filled with possibilities. Clerks was picked up by Miramax, which was just staring to hit its stride (and get that much larger with Pulp Fiction), and the film became an art house hit.
To Smith's credit, the script is fairly clever, and many of the jokes are funny. "Would you like to make some fuck" still gives me a smile, and the film isn't without its charms. But as much as conventional wisdom puts Edward Burns' The Brothers McMullen as the artistic decline of Sundance and the indie film movement, much of this can also be laid at the feet of Kevin Smith. When you think of the pioneers of the modern indie movement (excluding John Cassavettes and Orson Welles), when you look at the filmmakers that Smith himself thanked at the end of the film - Richard Linklater, Jim Jarmusch, Spike Lee and Hal Hartley - you're talking about people who are actual filmmakers. And Smith (over the course of the last fifteen years) has proved himself to simply be a screenwriter. When you look at those other guys who did it with nothing, in comparison even their films had some cinematic verve and got good performances out of their relative newcomers. They were usually good with actors. And understanding camera and working with performers are the requirements of directing, no ifs ands or buts. The sad but simple truth is that Smith has no visual style and can only diminish a performer through his directing. But where independent cinema was defined by films that attempted to be more artistic, adult, or real (even if such work eventually led to Jeremy Smith's least favorite movie The Inkwell) than a standard Hollywood production, it was about outsider voices trying to reach an audience. Kevin Smith was the first hipster kid to move into that indie film playhouse, and the gentrification process was such that art house cinema hasn't been the same since. Kevin may have been an outsider, but his tribe was the fanboy, and the internet has shown that few groups need less of a voice. At the time, and perhaps still, because it was a no-budget effort it was easy to forgive the often atrocious performances and absolute lack of direction beyond point and shoot. Since Kevin Smith hasn't evolved, it's fair to say these aren't problems weren't due to lack of money.
A Moment of Piss: Seriously, the woman playing the coroner - who reads exclusively from her clipboard and rat-a-tats her way through the dialog like she's Jack Webb - is one of the worst performances ever put to film this side of Torgo.
These Ain't Chopped Liver Alternatives: Poison, She's Gotta Have It, Stranger than Paradise, Slacker, Simple Men
Jeremy Smith Agrees: I suspect that Kevin Smith missed his true calling as a stand-up comedian; had he honed his acerbic shtick in front of a live, paying audience, he might've developed into one of his generation's sharpest satirists. Instead, he made a dingy, sporadically funny indie flick, which, in the throes of the comedy void that was the 1990s, was akin to flinging spackle at a black hole. Despite the film's myriad shortcomings, a generation of slackers identified with the pithy listlessness of Dante and Randal, and a cult classic was born. Had Smith improved as a filmmaker with his subsequent movies, this would've been excusable; unfortunately, he plateaued (and, in the case of Dogma, regressed). Sure, Chasing Amy was an admirable stab at maturity (and a fairly solid script in its own right), but the lack of craft hobbles it; scenes that should absolutely kill - like the Hooper/Quint scar parody - only generate laughs of recognition ("I love Jaws, too!"). If comedies were the sum of their pop cultural references, Smith would be a latter day Lubitsch; thanks to the instant classic status bestowed upon Clerks (and the fact that most of his films have turned a profit), he's just a well-read smartass with perpetual access to Harvey Weinstein's pocketbook. Intellect isn't everything.
Justin Waddell Disagrees: Quick, Kevin Smith. Over here! Let me shield you from the sharpened words of Andre and Jeremy with this pot lid, conveniently borrowed from my defense of Battle Royale yesterday. Anyway, I’m not convinced Smith has ever made a truly terrible film. Even Dogma, which gets some deserved hatred above, is an interesting and even sporadically watchable failure. I’m also not convinced that Smith has ever made a better film than his first, the very one on trial here.
These guys have had it too easy. Far too easy. Don't believe the insane hype.
OVERBLOWN
Good flicks that have gotten too damn big for their britches.
MISUNDERSTOOD
Asshole, you love this film for all the wrong reasons.
WHAT THE FUCK
Something went horribly wrong here and it's carried over the the fans, who are blinded by shizer.
Why Clerks is Overblown (37 Times)
Your guide: Andre Dellamorte
CHUD's Logline: Necrophilia, drug sales, egg counting, roof hockey, Russian heavy metal, snowballing, Navy Seals jokes. All in the day of two guys who would rather be talking about the minutia of Star Wars and whining about girls. Also: People talk, nothing really happens. Its Legacy: Gave hope to too many would-be filmmakers who thought "hey, if I just tell my story and insert dick jokes, I can make it." Started the distaste for Star Wars fandom. Proved to be one of the final nails in the indie coffin. Gave us a sequel that had Rosario Dawson talking about going ass to mouth (not necessarily the worst thing). Gave Kevin Smith his following, and then led him to write a review of The Phantom Menace for Chud (and Attack of the Clones for Film Comment. Step down, that). Led to the Askewniverse, which God closed the book on, and then when Smith's well ran dry was re-opened for one of the least necessary (and most depressing) sequels since Eddie and the Cruisers II: Eddie Lives. Gave Jason Mewes enough success to pursue a serious drug addiction (since recovered). Fought the MPAA over a rating given soley for language. Won.
Why It's Here: Other than his ravenous (and, as I'm told, often smelly) fanbase, at this juncture it's downright easier to bash Kevin Smith than to praise him. Post-Chasing Amy, there was hope the man might actually have something to say if he could figure out third acts, but once Dogma arrived, all hope was lost. I mean, really, it's a pretty impressive thing to direct both Alan Rickman and Chris Rock to their worst performances. And after that he regressed to complete what he felt was his previous world - the Jersey films - but has since flailed about trying to figure out what movies to make, with nothing breaking out beyond his base. With Seth Rogen starring in his latest, he's really got one last shot to prove he has anything to say. But - let's set the wayback clocks - in 1994 he was a Sundance kid who got noticed by John Pierson. And Pierson saw the film as filled with possibilities. Clerks was picked up by Miramax, which was just staring to hit its stride (and get that much larger with Pulp Fiction), and the film became an art house hit.
To Smith's credit, the script is fairly clever, and many of the jokes are funny. "Would you like to make some fuck" still gives me a smile, and the film isn't without its charms. But as much as conventional wisdom puts Edward Burns' The Brothers McMullen as the artistic decline of Sundance and the indie film movement, much of this can also be laid at the feet of Kevin Smith. When you think of the pioneers of the modern indie movement (excluding John Cassavettes and Orson Welles), when you look at the filmmakers that Smith himself thanked at the end of the film - Richard Linklater, Jim Jarmusch, Spike Lee and Hal Hartley - you're talking about people who are actual filmmakers. And Smith (over the course of the last fifteen years) has proved himself to simply be a screenwriter. When you look at those other guys who did it with nothing, in comparison even their films had some cinematic verve and got good performances out of their relative newcomers. They were usually good with actors. And understanding camera and working with performers are the requirements of directing, no ifs ands or buts. The sad but simple truth is that Smith has no visual style and can only diminish a performer through his directing. But where independent cinema was defined by films that attempted to be more artistic, adult, or real (even if such work eventually led to Jeremy Smith's least favorite movie The Inkwell) than a standard Hollywood production, it was about outsider voices trying to reach an audience. Kevin Smith was the first hipster kid to move into that indie film playhouse, and the gentrification process was such that art house cinema hasn't been the same since. Kevin may have been an outsider, but his tribe was the fanboy, and the internet has shown that few groups need less of a voice. At the time, and perhaps still, because it was a no-budget effort it was easy to forgive the often atrocious performances and absolute lack of direction beyond point and shoot. Since Kevin Smith hasn't evolved, it's fair to say these aren't problems weren't due to lack of money.
A Moment of Piss: Seriously, the woman playing the coroner - who reads exclusively from her clipboard and rat-a-tats her way through the dialog like she's Jack Webb - is one of the worst performances ever put to film this side of Torgo.
These Ain't Chopped Liver Alternatives: Poison, She's Gotta Have It, Stranger than Paradise, Slacker, Simple Men
Jeremy Smith Agrees: I suspect that Kevin Smith missed his true calling as a stand-up comedian; had he honed his acerbic shtick in front of a live, paying audience, he might've developed into one of his generation's sharpest satirists. Instead, he made a dingy, sporadically funny indie flick, which, in the throes of the comedy void that was the 1990s, was akin to flinging spackle at a black hole. Despite the film's myriad shortcomings, a generation of slackers identified with the pithy listlessness of Dante and Randal, and a cult classic was born. Had Smith improved as a filmmaker with his subsequent movies, this would've been excusable; unfortunately, he plateaued (and, in the case of Dogma, regressed). Sure, Chasing Amy was an admirable stab at maturity (and a fairly solid script in its own right), but the lack of craft hobbles it; scenes that should absolutely kill - like the Hooper/Quint scar parody - only generate laughs of recognition ("I love Jaws, too!"). If comedies were the sum of their pop cultural references, Smith would be a latter day Lubitsch; thanks to the instant classic status bestowed upon Clerks (and the fact that most of his films have turned a profit), he's just a well-read smartass with perpetual access to Harvey Weinstein's pocketbook. Intellect isn't everything.
Justin Waddell Disagrees: Quick, Kevin Smith. Over here! Let me shield you from the sharpened words of Andre and Jeremy with this pot lid, conveniently borrowed from my defense of Battle Royale yesterday. Anyway, I’m not convinced Smith has ever made a truly terrible film. Even Dogma, which gets some deserved hatred above, is an interesting and even sporadically watchable failure. I’m also not convinced that Smith has ever made a better film than his first, the very one on trial here.
For a number of reasons, Clerks is a movie that’s easy to Wiffle bat apart. Amateurish acting - some of the straight-from-the-high-school-production-of-Our-Town actors stumble over their lines WITHOUT being saved by a merciful take two. There is more than one use of an offscreen cat yowl to serve as a scene’s punch line. And, of course, loads upon loads of petrified camera shots capture the action (usually two characters talking to each other). But, somehow, it works. Really works. Just as Jason Lee would save Smith’s second effort (Mallrats <---Rooker also helped with the rescue), Jeff Anderson, as the customer-hating Randal Graves, jolts Clerks to life just in time. More than anyone in the thing, Anderson obviously feels the most at ease with Smith’s funny lines. And the movie just kind of falls into place around him. His “I don't appreciate your ruse, ma'am” scene in the video store is a classic. And that scene is actually helped by Smith’s as-if-it-was-turned-to-stone-by-Medusa camera work. In light of Smith’s work afterwards (the non-Gertz Jersey Girl, for example), the hype surrounding Clerks could certainly seem overblown. Other directors have started small and gotten greater and greater. But I think they are harder to name then you’d think. Well, other than Pitof. Instead of going into hiding like the Blair Witch guys, Smith decided to create an industry to act as a protective shell for his films. If he’s not the smartest, most talented director rolling around this godforsaken planet, he sure is smart about making and marketing his flicks. And his books. And his DVDs. And his action figures and t-shirts. And...OK, he does annoy with that stuff. But, unfulfilled promise aside, Clerks still deserves its clumsy legacy. I'm one of the few that's actually glad that Smith went back to the well and made Clerks 2. Maybe it's the reboot he needed, and we'll get nothing but expertly-shot greatness from here on out. Perfect from now on, Mr. Smith. That's all us movie geeks are askin'. That, and more Caitlin Bree.
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Comment #1 (Posted by OhEssOh)
I'm a fan, have the entire Smith collection, and even I can say that I didn't really love Clerks. It has its moments, but more often than not, its just odd. Mallrats was the first Smith movie I saw when I was in high school and I loved it. As I got older it aged badly. I adore Chasing Amy and Dogma, and theres a point that Kevin Smith makes in Clerks II that I really appreciate - "I got to rent movies, fuck with assholes, and hang out with my best friend." And thats Smith's schitck. He gets to make movies with his friends. They get paid, turn a profit and have fun. And really, how cool is that?
Comment #2 (Posted by Lucidz)
Lets be honest. Chris rock has never been anything less than testicle waxing in any movie he's been in. I'd hardly call this his 'worst'. ps. Attempt 4 at this stupid fucking Verification... Attempt 5....Attempt 6... Attempt 7........ ok seriously jesus fucking christ, 9 attempts? What the fucking fuck man.
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Comment #3 (Posted by Travis)
Clerks gets better the more you watch it. The acting is not great - but after all most of the people in the film were Smith's friends not professional actors. Think of Clerks as the ultimate student film and it is great - think of it as a real movie with real actors and it fails.
Comment #4 (Posted by RCA)
I agree with everything you knock Smith for, but everything you mention here he has knocked himself for repeatedly. As for the movie, Clerks, being a product of it's time, I got my wife to watch it only about two years ago and she LOVED it. She knew nothing about it's history, but laughed the whole movie. I should note that at the time she was not a movie buff and it wasn't until recently that she started to appreciate Kubrik, Coen's, and other great directors. I think all of Smith's movies are entertaining and while I would never argue their merit cinematically against the heavyweights I don't even need to mention, that is not what he is going for. The best part of his movies is that his DVD's, and their copius behind the scenes content are usually as entertaining as the movies. I don't usually buy to many comedy DVD's(though I watch a lot of them), especially ones that have been released recently, and I am not a big fan of Apatow(OVER RATED), sorry, but I own all of Smith's films and am satisified with the work he has put out. By the way, Clerks II is fucking hilarious. If you haven't watched it because of how much shit it gets on this site, put down your copy of Superbad and pick it up. Porch Monkey 4 Life!!
Comment #5 (Posted by jib)
I'd add Noah Baumbauch's Kicking & Screaming to the Ain't Chopped Liver Alternatives.
Comment #6 (Posted by Grant)
I will admit to being a Kevin Smith fan, but I think a lot of liking his work has to do with the timing of when I was exposed to "Clerks." and the dearth of any kind of indie films in the Midwest around that time. You have to realize -- central Illinois isn't exactly a hotbed for independent film, or really anything at all. 1994 was a long time before the internet was the series of tubes it now resembles, and finding a film like this at the local Blockbuster was like finding a diamond in the rough. Plus, I was 19 and experiencing roughly the same kind of crisis of faith in finding a career that Dante was -- to say it spoke to me in terms nobody was using puts the issue rather mildly, and I suspect many others of the same age felt the same. Now it may be that that kind of message wasn't timely enough for younger folks, or the message was more evident to people once the internet showed EVERYBODY that there's nothing unique about your experience. That said, his messages have always seemed timely to me. (Well, except for the rubber poop monster.) Ultimately, though, Kevin Smith's biggest strength is that he's always seemed more like one of the guys than an unapproachable "celebrity" type, far more at home reading comics and surfing the internet than attending gala premieres. This above all is why I can't understand rabid Kevin Smith haters. He's closer to your side of the fence than The Man's, and yet somehow he's responsible for all the bad stuff coming out of Hollywood. I think that speaks more about you than it does about him. It's obvious to me he's always known he's along for the ride.
Comment #7 (Posted by KingKrims)
Finally somebody said outloud what Kevin Smith is. An overhyped geek who got lucky with Chasing Amy. I am not gonna lie, Clerks was considered a good film in the ghetto of Washington Heights, upper West Side of Manhattan. The weed heads liked it for a laugh. To me he will never surpass Chasing Amy and it's sad, I still hav hope for him though. Maybe The Green Hornet will get greenlit and he can do something, hopefully with someone else's script.
Comment #8 (Posted by Review Askewed)
A generational snap shot. Clerks perfectly captured the slacker, grunge-soaked early to mid 90's. A touchstone/timepiece like the Graduate, Shampoo, & Fast Times. The direction might suck, but the dialogue flows with a vulgar, crude charm. Sampling John Hughes, John Landis, Woody Allen, & Mad magazine, Smith gets the beat right. Call Clerks a one hit wonder, but you sure can dance to it.(Also, if directorial style + skill was all that mattered, we'd be talking about Wise Guys & Bonfire as classics!)
Comment #9 (Posted by an unknown user)
I think "Clerks" totally deserves it's legacy. It was the quintessential DIY indie flick, and a win for "the little (big) guy". It was a voice for a generation derided as "voiceless" by the boomers, and portrayed that generation in a less annoying way than "Slacker". While "Slacker" was about the mentally masturbating college crowd, "Clerks" was a voice for the directionless and lost people who didn't like their job, but weren't sure they wanted to go through the motions of college either.
As a side note, CHUDs constant Smith-baiting is a little sad. It's almost like you're trying to make him start one of his famous "critic wars" with you, and it's kind of pathetic.

