YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG, DAY ONE
- By Nick Nunziata
- Published 03/31/2008
- Lists

You and I and all those people out there with a vocal love of film have ruined it for everyone, pimping movies up, falling in love with mediocre films and championing them to near-legendary status. We've embraced turkeys, legitimized borderline movies, and elevated modest films in our favorite franchises above and beyond realistic standards. We've even embraced the films everyone likes, somehow adding a credibility to them that transcends the mainstream. Sacred cows, little flicks, and everything in between. It's time we took a look inward and came clean with 25 movies we think need to be taken down a peg or two.
These are our four categories for this list:
CHUD's Logline: A newly minted Fed with a pungent vaginal smell is thrust into a major case thanks to a brilliant Machiavellian serial killer and a cross-dressing dude who can maneuver with his prick betwixt.
Its Legacy: Nominated for seven Academy Awards. Won five, all big ones. #24 on IMDB's top 250. Grossed almost $300,000,000. One of the films people mention when discussing the best thrillers of all time. "I can smell your cunt" now a popular Food Network catchphrase. Anthony Hopkins afforded opportunity to become a faster Indian. Ted Levine joins pantheon of penis tucking thespians. Character of Hannibal Lecter parodied by luminaries Jim Carrey & F. Murray Abraham. Jonathan Demme allowed to rape Charade right in the ass. Raspael's case solved. Gag orders placed on lambs the world over.
Why It's Here: There's no denying that this is a very good movie. It's based on a very good book, all things considered. Thomas Harris hasn't written a meaningful passage since this book, but the fact remains that this is a very solid serial killer flick. That said, the directing is somewhat pedestrian and though the performances range from good to great but it's not one of the proudest years in Oscar sweeps and watching the film now really showcases a somewhat bland product. Yeah, I think Jonathan Demme is extremely overvalued in this mixture. I also feel that of all the films in the series ranging from Manhunter all the way through to Hannibal and even on to Red Dragon [Hannibal Rising is a crotchfire] are entertaining and with merit and the difference in quality between them isn't some vast expanse like many people feel. There's a lot of great procedurals in film history. There's a lot of great thrillers. There's a lot of great portrayals of brilliant madness. This just isn't the one stop shop for all of them and too easy a choice.
A Moment of Piss: The entire discussion involving the film's title, of Agent Clarice Starling and her poor childhood lambs, is so overboiled so that when the issue is revisited later in the film when Lecter asks her "Well, Clarice - have the lambs stopped screaming?" it feels like some high school writing exercise. For all of the good stuff here, the whole metaphorical mire involving screaming lambs is just dumb and has no emotional payoff in the film. It worked a little better in the book because it didn't have to be said aloud where it totally sucks a baby's sweet balls.
These Ain't Chopped Liver Alternatives: The Talented Mr. Ripley. Badlands. M. Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer. Seven.
Russ Fischer Agrees: How is this commonly agreed upon as one of Hopkins' best roles, Oscar or no? Paul Lynde's work is more restrained. But nothing validates genre like great actors getting high-profile awards for letting their guard down. Or is it just that in America, we hate educated/cultured people like Lecter (and Hopkins) so much that we can only appreciate them when they're also eating people and helping to capture rampantly violent cross-dressers? If you actually love movies about well-mannered deviants you know that The Vanishing (in addition to Nick's mentions above) is the go-to project. Now, who wants to buy my first-print Criterion edition of this flick?
Jeremy Smith Disagrees: If pressed, I'll take my Demme psychopaths crass rather than epicurean (i.e. Ray Liotta in Something Wild), but the elocutionary splendor of Anthony Hopkins's Hannibal Lecter, a delectable hybrid of Hal 9000 and Joseph Cotton's charasmatically evil Uncle Charlie from Hitchcock's Shadow of a Doubt, is a (sometimes quite literally) ripping good show in its own right. As a portrayal of madness, it's as psychologically acute as Colin Clive's Dr. Henry Frankenstein, but that's in keeping with the heightened, fright-film tone of Harris's novel. And that's why Demme's picture is, far and away, the finest adaptation of Harris's work: it knows to succeed as a monster movie first. Other A-list directors might be embarrassed by the garish, page-turner surface of the such a tome, but Demme's Roger Corman pedigree is perfect training for what is, at heart, a B-movie. And Ted Tally, an Obie Award-winning playwright, is careful not to intellectualize the hoary material; he focuses on character and pace, and while it's not the subtlest script you'll ever read, it is an expertly structured Hollywood entertainment. Those are kinda hard to pull off. If it were just a matter of cut-and-paste, Red Dragon would've been Silence of the Lambs's equal; absent Demme's emotional intelligence (and just plain intelligence), it's just an insipidly-shot greatest hits show that leaves you yearning for the genuine article. It's a testament to Silence of the Lambs's lasting power that the film even got made.
Message Board Discussion.
These are our four categories for this list:
OVERRATED
These guys have had it too easy. Far too easy. Don't believe the insane hype.
OVERBLOWN
Good flicks that have gotten too damn big for their britches.
MISUNDERSTOOD
Asshole, you love this film for all the wrong reasons.
WHAT THE FUCK
Something went horribly wrong here and it's carried over the the fans, who are blinded by shizer.
Why The Silence of the Lambs is Overblown
Your guide: Nick Nunziata
These guys have had it too easy. Far too easy. Don't believe the insane hype.
OVERBLOWN
Good flicks that have gotten too damn big for their britches.
MISUNDERSTOOD
Asshole, you love this film for all the wrong reasons.
WHAT THE FUCK
Something went horribly wrong here and it's carried over the the fans, who are blinded by shizer.
Why The Silence of the Lambs is Overblown
Your guide: Nick Nunziata
CHUD's Logline: A newly minted Fed with a pungent vaginal smell is thrust into a major case thanks to a brilliant Machiavellian serial killer and a cross-dressing dude who can maneuver with his prick betwixt.Its Legacy: Nominated for seven Academy Awards. Won five, all big ones. #24 on IMDB's top 250. Grossed almost $300,000,000. One of the films people mention when discussing the best thrillers of all time. "I can smell your cunt" now a popular Food Network catchphrase. Anthony Hopkins afforded opportunity to become a faster Indian. Ted Levine joins pantheon of penis tucking thespians. Character of Hannibal Lecter parodied by luminaries Jim Carrey & F. Murray Abraham. Jonathan Demme allowed to rape Charade right in the ass. Raspael's case solved. Gag orders placed on lambs the world over.
Why It's Here: There's no denying that this is a very good movie. It's based on a very good book, all things considered. Thomas Harris hasn't written a meaningful passage since this book, but the fact remains that this is a very solid serial killer flick. That said, the directing is somewhat pedestrian and though the performances range from good to great but it's not one of the proudest years in Oscar sweeps and watching the film now really showcases a somewhat bland product. Yeah, I think Jonathan Demme is extremely overvalued in this mixture. I also feel that of all the films in the series ranging from Manhunter all the way through to Hannibal and even on to Red Dragon [Hannibal Rising is a crotchfire] are entertaining and with merit and the difference in quality between them isn't some vast expanse like many people feel. There's a lot of great procedurals in film history. There's a lot of great thrillers. There's a lot of great portrayals of brilliant madness. This just isn't the one stop shop for all of them and too easy a choice.
A Moment of Piss: The entire discussion involving the film's title, of Agent Clarice Starling and her poor childhood lambs, is so overboiled so that when the issue is revisited later in the film when Lecter asks her "Well, Clarice - have the lambs stopped screaming?" it feels like some high school writing exercise. For all of the good stuff here, the whole metaphorical mire involving screaming lambs is just dumb and has no emotional payoff in the film. It worked a little better in the book because it didn't have to be said aloud where it totally sucks a baby's sweet balls.
These Ain't Chopped Liver Alternatives: The Talented Mr. Ripley. Badlands. M. Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer. Seven.
Russ Fischer Agrees: How is this commonly agreed upon as one of Hopkins' best roles, Oscar or no? Paul Lynde's work is more restrained. But nothing validates genre like great actors getting high-profile awards for letting their guard down. Or is it just that in America, we hate educated/cultured people like Lecter (and Hopkins) so much that we can only appreciate them when they're also eating people and helping to capture rampantly violent cross-dressers? If you actually love movies about well-mannered deviants you know that The Vanishing (in addition to Nick's mentions above) is the go-to project. Now, who wants to buy my first-print Criterion edition of this flick?
Jeremy Smith Disagrees: If pressed, I'll take my Demme psychopaths crass rather than epicurean (i.e. Ray Liotta in Something Wild), but the elocutionary splendor of Anthony Hopkins's Hannibal Lecter, a delectable hybrid of Hal 9000 and Joseph Cotton's charasmatically evil Uncle Charlie from Hitchcock's Shadow of a Doubt, is a (sometimes quite literally) ripping good show in its own right. As a portrayal of madness, it's as psychologically acute as Colin Clive's Dr. Henry Frankenstein, but that's in keeping with the heightened, fright-film tone of Harris's novel. And that's why Demme's picture is, far and away, the finest adaptation of Harris's work: it knows to succeed as a monster movie first. Other A-list directors might be embarrassed by the garish, page-turner surface of the such a tome, but Demme's Roger Corman pedigree is perfect training for what is, at heart, a B-movie. And Ted Tally, an Obie Award-winning playwright, is careful not to intellectualize the hoary material; he focuses on character and pace, and while it's not the subtlest script you'll ever read, it is an expertly structured Hollywood entertainment. Those are kinda hard to pull off. If it were just a matter of cut-and-paste, Red Dragon would've been Silence of the Lambs's equal; absent Demme's emotional intelligence (and just plain intelligence), it's just an insipidly-shot greatest hits show that leaves you yearning for the genuine article. It's a testament to Silence of the Lambs's lasting power that the film even got made.
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Comment #1 (Posted by Dean Stockwell)
This list is going to break a lot of hearts.
Comment #2 (Posted by Rex Reamer)
Essentially this is nick being an aggressive wanker to the readership of the site. Cuz we really need more funny writers turning into over-opinionated assholes like devin and jeremy. Fuck you and fuck this stupid indulgent article. Its basically "I'm right and your wrong, even tho I have Grizzly park on my resume. Why did I produce that sub-student level piece of shit? Why? now let me tell you why the real cinema you love, is shit!"
Comment #3 (Posted by Chazwozzle)
Smith's point about Red Dragon hits the nail on the head and drives it into Nick and Russ' arguments' dicks
but I do totally agree with Nick on the screaming lambs line
I AM TORN WHO DO I SUPPORT
Comment #4 (Posted by greg)
great idea for a list. and great entry. Nick's point about the titular dialog is dead-on. I disagree about the book though. Overwritten and pretentious. The best thing in this entire Lecter legacy, book or movie, is the novel Red Dragon.
Comment #5 (Posted by moviemenace)
Overblown Thriller. Look toward your alternate: Se7en
Comment #6 (Posted by Gwai Lo)
This is a great idea for a column. I agree that Silence of the Lambs is a bit overblown, I prefer Manhunter, which doesn't get nearly the same amount of love. Can't wait to see some entries in the Misunderstood and What the Fuck categories
Comment #7 (Posted by ambrosis)
Rex, you and the haters take it all too personally. Nick knows lists are an easy enough way to keep content flowing, especially at this time of year. So what if ithat content is "I'm right and you're wrong?" I actually find all the aggressive wankery entertaining (Devin's included) - it's what gives CHUD that special flavour.
Comment #8 (Posted by Erock)
I think wankers rule.
except for Rex, that guys a total cock i wouldnt have anything to do with
Comment #9 (Posted by A Fan of Funny Writing)
Thank you for being so funny. And witty. I like it when articles are funny. And witty. The phrase '"A MOMENT OF PISS" is funny. And witty. I also enjoy "feels like some high school writing exercise". I don't think that's called wit, though. I think that's called irony.
Comment #10 (Posted by Owain Wilson)
Either way, The Silence Of The Lambs is a thrilling film. I get very, very nervous whenever someone on screen gets even remotely near Lector or Buffalo Bill. It works for me!
Comment #11 (Posted by Jason)
Awesome new list. I can't wait for the rest. Completely agree with Nick on this movie. I've seen it maybe twice in whole and enjoyed it both times, but wouldn't take the time to ever buy it.
Comment #12 (Posted by ad)
Let's not forget a stellar performance from a certain acting sensation-mayor.
Comment #13 (Posted by Dan)
only idiots write the title of Seven as "Se7en"
Comment #14 (Posted by Darrell)
This is the kind of thing that brings me to CHUD. And having to enter in the verification code at least twice every damn time is the kind of thing that fills me with spite.
Comment #15 (Posted by Xagarath)
Seven is, to my mind, even more overblown than Silence of the Lambs, but that's neither here nor there.
I'd second Russ on the Vanishing, though, and also recommend the oft-overlooked Peeping Tom.
Comment #16 (Posted by Johnnycommon)
Great topic, but I do think Seven is an all that great alternative. I could just see a bunch of hot topic customer/employees just gathering about to express their deep thoughts on that damn movie. That said, I'm actually curious about the graphic novel that is out based on Seven.
Comment #17 (Posted by LD)
Sorry Nick but Beaks pwns you on this one. Oh and fuck all of you Seven haters! Any movie that ends with Paltrow's untalented, skanky, horse head in a fucking box is tits and there's no room for debate.
Comment #18 (Posted by jon waldman)
Frankly I'll take 'Manhunter' over 'Lambs' any day. I always thought the end; with Clarice running around in the dark in the basement, was kinda stupid.
Comment #19 (Posted by Keith)
Seven is one Brad Pitt suicide away from being a masterpiece, and not just a very good film. I'll never waiver from the feeling that he should've offed himself. Yeah, this list will divide, as Nick and Russ are clearly dearly wrong. Except for the bits about the overblown dialogue.
Comment #20 (Posted by Andy Larsen)
Nick and Russ are clearly dearly right about this one. Sure it's good, but really, Best Picture good? Please...
Comment #21 (Posted by Bob)
Great idea for an article. Keep it up!
Comment #22 (Posted by Aethyrr)
So, basically, it's gonna be an exercise of political (in)correctness
Comment #23 (Posted by Brock Samson)
The Silence of the Lambs is, IMHO, a very good movie albeit, with some hammy overacting from Hopkins and a bad accent from Foster.
I'd like to nominate a movie for WHAT THE FUCK: Equilibrium (2002)
CHUD sang the praises of this movie to the heavens, and when I finally paid to see it I was amazed at how derivative, dull, and dumb it was. "Oh look, he's crying over a fucking puppy. This movie has a message."
Bullshit.
Comment #24 (Posted by SOMETHING WILD/HANDLE WITH CARE)
This is what CHUD is all about! I'm lovin' it! Thanks guys! Great start to the discussion, Nick. I do have to side with Beaks though. Also, I don't think it's fair to forget with time the impact SOTL had on pop culture. Demme's accomplishment was taking the standard ballless Hollywood thriller and upping the tension to a Hitchtcockian high, scaring the pants off america in "Exorcist"-like fashion. Has a movie since effected our cutural zeitgeist quite the same way?(Blair Witch & Sixth Sense come closest in there own way) the funny thing is, Nick: I think Demme agreed with you. He's seemingly been apologizing for it ever since!(And he should really start focussing on his latter sins) And, really, should any movie that made an undervalued, great thespian like Hopkins(coming off the soul-crushing "Desperate Hours" remake) a superstar ever be hated?(He had a helluva 90's-without Silence would we get Shadowlands, or Remains of the Day(or for you Nick, The Edge!)) Thanks again.
Comment #25 (Posted by SciCurious)
I was surprised to be reminded by the recent Oscars broadcast that this film got so many awards back in the day - but I've also re-watched it recently after a long break and it wasn't as bad as I remembered (it has a solid gothic atmosphere going that only gets silly in Lector's medieval dungeon). As mentioned, I think it's power is that it introduced a new "Monster Archetype" to the public at large. Everyone who knew Manhunter or the books already knew that Lector was a special new beast, but this is Lector as a pantomime villain/monster - Self-Consciously and Theatrically/Enjoyably Evil, not Disturbingly Evil (John Doe is less theatrical but in the same vein as Hopkins' Lector while Henry is disturbing and a similar animal to Cox's Lector and Levine's Buffalo Bill).
Comment #26 (Posted by gridbug)
"A newly minted Fed with a pungent vaginal smell is thrust into a major case thanks to a brilliant Machiavellian serial killer and a cross-dressing dude who can maneuver with his prick betwixt." LEGIT LOL!!! A+++ WILL READ AGAIN!!!
Comment #27 (Posted by Andy K)
Can't wait for The Boondock Saints entry.
Comment #28 (Posted by Patrick)
Any comparison of this film to "Red Dragon" or "Hannibal" is absurd. While I certainly agree with Nick when he says Harris hasen't written a good sentence since this novel, and would agree with the earlier poster that the novel "Red Dragon" is the best of all the Lecter material, any wincing at the "have the lambs stopped screaming" is forgiven by the expert pacing and incredibly well shot and acted final showdown at Buffalo Bill's house. The POV shot of Bill with the night vision goggles on alone in worthy of great moments in thriller history mention. Demme knew what he was doing with the material, and the acting is uniformly terrific. Still, a good debate on film is always fun, though Nick's wrong wrong wrong on this one.
Comment #29 (Posted by KurtQuake)
Alternative: Sarinui Chueok “Memories of Murder” Directed by Bong Joon-ho
Comment #30 (Posted by moviemenace)
"only idiots write the title of Seven as "Se7en""
The same idiots that write it on the cover of there screenplay. That's also how it appears on screen, in the original ads, and on the cover art, douchebag. You ever consider I was making a point about the movie being "overblown".
So go fuck yourself, Dan.
Comment #31 (Posted by dreary louse)
Your list HAS to include 'The Killing Fields'.
Comment #32 (Posted by masterbrocksamson)
I'm nominating Inland Empire to be examined on this list. Big Lynch fan, but I throw this one to the wolves...
Comment #33 (Posted by Tempus)
Wonderful idea for a list, and "crotchfire" is a hilarious word.
Comment #34 (Posted by Opinion Guy)
Bran Cox kicks Anthony Hopkins cock off with his Hannibal Lecter. Aside from that, SOTL is the best Harris adaptation. And moviemenace, why would anyone think you were being ironic in spelling it "Se7en" when every fucking fanboy douchebag on the web spells it that way? No rolling-eyed emoticons here.
And i sincerely hope to see Sin City show up soon in this column under "what the fuck".
Comment #35 (Posted by an unknown user)
Please explain why the direction in Silence of the Lambs is "pedestrian." C'mon Nick, you're better than this.
Usually these kinds of comments come from the kinds of armchair critics who think directing is nothing more than nifty shot design, and have no clue how many decisions go into the making of a film. Consider the enormous creative liberties taken with the design of Hannibal's prison (as far away from how Michael Mann treated Harris' universe in Manhunter), and the entire lead up to our first introduction to Hannibal, where we go from a relatively sanitized penitentiary to a fucking gothic dungeon... there's nothing passive or run-of-the-mill about it. And Demme is one of the few directors who actively moves his actor's eyelines as close to the lens as possible, sometimes making them stair right into the lens (particularly in Philadelphia). And somehow almost all these radical choices click into place without causing any real sirens to go off.
Granted, the moment where Hannibal manages to steal the pen away even though he's in seven layers of straight jacket, masked, and being dollied around by a gorrila in a police uniform... that's something no one seems to care about but irks the hell out of me. And I blame that on Thomas Harris and Ted Tally over Jonathan Demme.
Comment #36 (Posted by Lions & Lambs)
A true modern classic. I don't get the hate. I love the tone and agree the tension is tight. I also dig the hint of the supernatural surrounding Hannibal-his stealing the pen and escape. (Only the sequals deluted the mystery)Anthony Hopkins was a god in this. So cool. And you'd have to go back to the 70's to see a better Jodie foster performance. You're 0 for 1, Nicholas, but i'm loving the idea of this list. Can't wait for more!
Comment #37 (Posted by Nathan)
yeah...boondock saints better make an appearance on this list.
Comment #38 (Posted by cyberwaste)
Shit like this is why I read Chud.com. Thank you, Nick. And yeah I'm in the Agreed camp. I never quite saw what was so grandiose about this (or any Demme) film. But then again, I really liked Hannibal. Gunshots by computer!!
Comment #39 (Posted by an unknown user)
ha! awesome. The movie always felt so bland, I feel validated now heee
Comment #40 (Posted by al starks)
great start.
Comment #41 (Posted by KriKitBoNeZ)
Hopefully one or both of the first 2 Godfather films are in this list.
Comment #42 (Posted by ugh)
yay. a list of things chud tells us we're wrong about. thanks chud. thanks chud for keeping us informed of your status as gate keepers of culture, im so lgad you told us. i wish chud would fuck off and die sometimes and this is one of those times. and i even agree with this one! ugh
Comment #43 (Posted by bongobox)
i agree. i agreed. it's good, but it just doesn't wiggle my footises.
Comment #44 (Posted by Brad Johnson)
OMG, you people writing for this website with your *gasp* opinions, that might even differ from my opinions! Cause you know, I only like to read articles that constantly suck my dick and pat me on the back at the same time.
Comment #45 (Posted by kalone)
there are a lot of great examples for this column (is star wars too obvious for the overblown department?) but i don't think silence of the lambs qualifies as list fodder because the academy gave it an award.
lambs is a good look at the other in horror movies, and while some of the art design and directorial touches are flat like dakota fanning, the overall impact of the movie is great.
in lambs, the true, undeniable others in our society are elevated to hero status themselves, while monsters we can relate to -- buffalo bill suffers from a sexual identity crisis that only separates him from the status quo because of its extremity (or pretend lack of) -- are the most disgusting.
what's great about lambs is that the audience creates these reactions from the genre cues, like hannibal hanging up the cop in the museum 30 feet in the air. it shows that genre movies don't have the believe in their own dogma, even when they practice it.
it's interesting that it seems like harris got swept up with hannibal like the audience did. the sequel had starling falling in love and the origin story actually offered up a sympathetic reason for his insanity.
the blind approval of hannibal in the follow-up movies -- from the script and the characters -- in enough of a departure from lambs that saying the movies are comparable is way off.
Comment #46 (Posted by Friendo Calrissian)
Great idea for another list. Keep it up. Screw the haters. Comment #45 by kalone is super creepy; to wit, "flat like dakota fanning." Holy shit.
I agree with Jeremy on this one, but so what? Discussion is what makes this fun.
Comment #47 (Posted by Nephlabobo)
Sorry, but offering Se7en as an alternative to Silence of the Lambs is like offering shitty meatloaf to someone who just had a gourmet meal.
These articles are just an exercise in self-indulgence and an excuse to piss people off.
"Look at me! I'm cool because I hate something that's popular!"
Ugh.
This isn't high school and you need to stop posing.
Comment #48 (Posted by fireflyfellow)
Great idea for a list, but poor first entry. Calling Demme's direction pedestrian doesn't make it so. I hope the following entries have a little more substance, and aren't the equivalent of jealous name-calling.
Comment #49 (Posted by Royale With Cheese)
Boy this list sure crashed and burned on day 2! Battle Royale!?! Of all the choices out there how do you miss this much? What a disappointment! I echo the outrage at giving Diva(one of the dumbest people in the history of the site)the false sense of vindication. I expect more out of you guys. Has CHUD hit an intellectual iceburg(or is it laziness)? We'll see.
Comment #50 (Posted by She Blinded Me Wth Silence)
Time plays tricks on the mind. O' how soon we forget. Silence of the Lambs was the Exorcist of the 90's. It shook shit up. Far from pedestrian, Jonathon Demme's direction was stunningly tight, displayng a master's touch. He created a shocking, tense note perfect thriller. In a stale year, Lambs was the exception to the rule. It was cool.
Comment #51 (Posted by Jake)
For the love of God, please examine "Donnie Darko" on this list. Talk about overrated.
Comment #52 (Posted by Louder Than A Bomb)
There's not much worse, revisionist geek bull shit, than saying Cox was the better Hannibal.(Even he disagrees) Don't let the sequels taint the original. Iconic like Chaney + Karloff, Hopkins' legend is earned/deserved. Such a performance, graced with true greatness, doesn't come to the genre often. (Mostly we get light weight pretenders like Englund or T. Bell) Respect the masters. Don't hate a classic.

