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THE DEVIN'S ADVOCATE: I AM NOT A FANBOY
- By Devin Faraci
- Published 03/24/2008
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A quick warning up front: This is an editorial about subcultural semantics. This is the kind of thing I've been interested in forever, and while I understand that there are going to be people who think this sort of hair splitting is a waste of time, yapping on about this kind of junk is sort of my job. So save all the 'Who cares what the difference between a nerd and a fanboy is?' comments.There is an epithet that is hurled at me with some regularity, one that has made me look deep into the cavernous depths of my own soul: 'self loathing nerd,' or some variation on the phrase. Could it be true? Could I just be so full of self hate that I hate those who remind me of myself?
Sort of. But mostly not. Yes, there is a part of me that understands Steve Buscemi's line in Ghost World: 'I hate my interests.' But the truth is that more often than not, I really love my interests. My bedroom has a Shaun of the Dead UK quad poster, a poster for the Alamo's Rolling Roadshow of The Warriors and the banned poster for Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan. There's a vintage Dr. Zaius bank on my TV next to the UK Phantasm ball DVD set; to the left of the desk where I'm writing this, on a book shelf, is a playset from The Thing. I have a poster for The Fountain in the dining nook, next to a Planet of the Apes Caesar head DVD case. I have shelves loaded down with film books, and my Rock Band drum set and my three fake guitars take up way too much space in the corner of my room. My Wii is in the living room, glowing eerie blue. Next to that is a shelf loaded with lots of DVDs, but only the really good ones I want to display; the rest are in a closet, in storage. I love watching movies and I love genre movies. I have I Spit On Your Grave and Cannibal Ferox on that shelf alongside The Searchers and my Marx Brothers box set, next to my Buffy and Angel DVD sets.
I'm a nerd. I'm a movie nerd. I'm proud of that, and I like meeting fellow movie nerds, people who share my passion for these things, whether or not the specific movies they're passionate about are the same as mine. I'm not a big sci-fi movie nerd (unhealthy Planet of the Apes obsession aside), but I get the people who are. I get the people who collect movie memorabilia, who want to learn and know as much about their favorite movies as they can. I get the people who are more excited to meet a B-movie star like Bruce Campbell than any 'major' star. I've still never had the courage to really chat up Jeffrey Combs the many times I've met him. I get all of that. And I get the feeling of community that you can find with like-minded people; in the days before the internet I had an almost religious experience at a Fangoria convention. There were other people who liked what I liked. And many of them knew way more about it than I did. It was cool.
So I embrace my nerdiness. But there's a line I will not cross, and I think this is where people start thinking I'm a self-loathing nerd. I will not be a fanboy.
A fanboy is different from a nerd in many important ways. Fanboys are indiscriminate in their tastes. I understand that there was a time when if you loved science fiction you settled for what science fiction you could find. Before Star Wars almost nobody made big budget sci-fi films, and you'd wade through a lot of pulp crap to find a Philip K Dick. I've sat through more terrible horror movies than anybody should ever have to see, just because I wanted to find the gem. But what I am seeing around me now, more and more often, are people who embrace movies/books/comics just because they're nerds and the movie/book/comic is in their genre. Obviously some aspects of quality are in the eye of the beholder, but just because something has a spaceship doesn't mean you should give it a pass.
What really sets a fanboy apart, though, is that he will not let go of his childhood. These are the people who are online bitching about how Transformers ruined the mythos of the toys. The ones who are freaking out about whether the GI Joe movie will be true to the cartoon. The ones who fantasy cast a new Masters of the Universe film. I'm not a self-loathing nerd, it's that I hate being lumped in with these people. This isn't being a nerd, this is being emotionally stunted. I'm not saying you can't enjoy these things and be a grown-up; I enjoyed Transformers quite a bit for what it was. I am not a big fan of movies as pure spectacle, but there's no denying that Michael Bay is the master of that, and Transformers was a master working his magic. I do become very worried about you when you're so heavily invested in a cheap cartoon that was made to sell toys to kids, though.
Fanboys will flock to movie web sites, but I don't think they really like movies all that much. They have a very small number of films that they're interested in every year, and they're mostly released between May and August. The fanboy may find a prestige picture at the end of the year worth getting excited about, but it's always because of a connection to a fanboy favorite, whether it be an actor who has been in a fanboy movie or a director who has gone on the record liking comic books. These films will also always be the violent prestige pictures, the No Country for Old Mens, and never the prestige pictures about a woman or about human interaction that doesn't involve killing.
The odd thing about fanboys is that while they don't really like movies all that much and they only care about their own particular films, they get really up in arms about those films being taken seriously. Fanboys are vexed that Batman Begins wasn't nominated for a number of Oscars; the possible posthumous nomination for Heath Ledger in The Dark Knight will be seen by them as a major victory. By the way, this isn't to say that nerds don't take their nerdy interests very seriously; there's been a bunch of cool academic work done on everything from horror movies to the sociopolitical meaning of the Planet of the Apes cycle, but the nerd approaches the subject from a very different direction. While the fanboy demands legitimacy for his geeky loves, the nerd is willing to take the time to explain why there's something deeper about the works of Herschell Gordon Lewis*.
Which brings me to another major difference between a fanboy and a nerd. Ask a nerd why he loves something that's marginal or dweeby or odd and he'll likely be able to tell you. Nerds, it turns out, are not just self-aware, they think about their interests. Fanboys, when asked the same thing, will say that it's 'cool.' Or they'll rattle off the same Joseph Campbell bullshit despite the fact that they wouldn't know The Hero With A Thousand Faces if it was shoved up their ass. The fanboy seems to be willfully ignorant, getting mad at anyone who dares to try to examine something in any depth beyond the surface. A nerd will get excited to talk about a favorite movie with you - they'll probably be able to tell you about the film's place in the history of the genre, the director's filmography, it's relation to the world in which it was released and maybe even the political subtexts at play - but the fanboy, desperate to cling to his 11 year old's vision of the world, will lash out at any deeper discussion (except for humorous gay subtext. They'll go nuts for that). Fanboys have zero understanding of the form they're professing to love, whether it be movies or comics or books**. I'm often astounded to see comic fanboys have zero knowledge of books published before their introduction to the medium, and to know absolutely nothing about the creators. Film fanboys are the worst, since they have some belief that they know film history due to being able to name drop The Hidden Fortress and Lawrence of Arabia, films they only know because George Lucas and Steven Spielberg have themselves name dropped the shit out of them. But ask a film fanboy what his other favorite David Lean movies are and you'll be shit out of luck.
What's funny is that George Lucas and Steven Spielberg are fanboy gods, but they themselves are just nerds. Both men have been heavily influenced by the films and TV shows that they grew up on, but they took those influences and did new things***. They didn't make beat for beat homages of serials or old sci fi movies, and they didn't just remake favorite old properties. They took these things and did what great artists do, which is to digest them and make them their own. The problem is that the fanboy can't digest things, he can only internalize them. It's why the fanboy gets so pissed off when you change an element in a favorite property, because he has internalized these giant robots or this caped crusader and made it a part of his identity. He isn't just someone who likes these things, he is defined by them. In a lot of ways the fanboy reminds me of Biblical literalists - do not change a word of the text and woe unto you if you challenge what I believe.
And like Biblical literalists, fanboys have a set of beliefs that are set in stone and that cannot be changed. It's this aspect that allows both crazy religious people and fanboys to be excruciatingly judgmental, even against things they don't understand. Religious morons don't understand evolution, so they rail against it. Fanboys don't understand movie making so they get all up in arms when an adaptation dares to deviate from the holy text of the comic or cartoon. This is probably the aspect of fanboys that most frustrates me, even more than their unwillingness to look at films beyond the dozen blockbusters that are slavishly marketed to them. Years ago I had a similar belief system - the original is great, so why change it? - but as I've learned about the business of movie making and the mechanics of script writing I've come to understand that what works in one medium will just not work in another. Of course there are cases where bottom line oriented studio execs throw out the baby with the bath water, but if you're the kind of person who got legitimately upset that Starbuck in the new Battlestar Galactica was a woman, you're a psychotic fanboy who finds change threatening because it might mean you will one day have to grow up and be responsible.
I wonder if there are more fanboys now than there were twenty years ago. I suspect that's the case. I think that the internet has made it easier for fanboys to have their hermetic societies where they have constant positive feedback on their stunted interests and beliefs. What's really disturbing about that is that an informal survey of fanboy rants and writings on the internet betrays one other negative thing about them: they're often racist, sexist and virulently homophobic. A quick look at the Aint It Cool News talkbacks, which is like a fanboy wildlife preserve, will show you that. Part of the childhood these fanboys don't want to give up seems to be a 70s or 80s era white suburban life, a segregated world that still had elements of 1950s traditionalism intact. The fanboy has two modes: overexcitement and hate, and that hate is often showered upon anyone who is different from them, ie not a white middle or upper class male. When I was a little nerd, aware that my interests were not mainstream and without an internet echo chamber to back me up, I was very aware of concepts of social marginalization - to me this is why having the nerd frat in Revenge of the Nerds be Lambda Lambda Lambda was so perfect beyond the cheap joke. I'm not saying that the nerd experience is even remotely like the black or gay experience, but if you grow up socially marginalized it seems weird to me that you would end up hating people who are more seriously socially marginalized. Or maybe it makes sense - for the fanboy making fag jokes is their way of working off the anger from the fat jokes the jocks made at their expense. Shit, as they say, travels downhill.
So consider this where I take my stand. I'm a nerd, and proud of it. I am happy to proclaim my love of zombie movies and Scott Pilgrim. I like Battlestar Galactica so much the original theme is my phone's ring tone. I'd be happy to have a beer and talk about the history of Spider-Man. But I won't be a fanboy. I like being an adult, and I don't want my room to look like it was decorated by a 9 year old with a big allowance. I want to enjoy things on as many levels as possible, and I would love to hear your deconstruction of Rambo as much as I loved just watching the movie. I'm not going to limit myself to a small number of movies that are engineered to appeal to teenage boys, but I'm also not going to just dismiss them if they don't conform to the specific vision I had in my head. I won't be a fanboy.
*Well, actually there probably isn't.
** Fanboys may insist they read a lot. Sadly, having made your way through the collected works of RA Salvatore does not make one a big reader.
*** Note: I don't really think Lucas is a great artist, but that sentence would have been tortured with too many qualifiers. You get what I mean there, though.
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Comment #1 (Posted by Patrick Ripoll)
I think you just called George Lucas a great artist.
Comment #2 (Posted by Eric Cordo)
Fucking fantastic, Devin.
Comment #3 (Posted by Hbarr)
He just qualified the great artist thing.
Comment #4 (Posted by Big Jim Slade)
Wow. You've hit a lot of nails on the head with this article, Devin. I'm seriously impressed here. I watch a lot of schlocky horror/exploitation movies, but even within that genre I consider myself to have taste. The movies I watch are ones I consider to be entertaining, interesting or noteworthy on some level. I own The incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living and became Mixed-Up Zombies, but I'd never watch House of the Dead. Horror fanboys are the ones who don't make that distinction: "they both have zombies, so they're cool!" Fuck that noise.
Comment #5 (Posted by Abe Froman)
Does anyone else find it humorous Mr. Faraci spews venom against what he considers an inferior?
"hate is often showered upon anyone who is different from them...Shit, as they say, travels downhill."
Comment #6 (Posted by Igor Ramus)
WHO CARES WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A NERD AND A FANBOY IS? <p> Seriously, though, this is a really fascinating essay, Dev. I really like the line (I'm paraphrasing) that nerds digest, but fanboys internalize - I think that sums it up pretty nicely. But there's two questions that sprung from it: (1) Does a fanboy behave like a fanboy in all arenas of geekdom, or just in their truly passionate arena? What I mean by that is, when you described the fanboy's reason for visiting a site like chud.com, and mentioned that they only really care about the May-September blockbusters, or "indies" like "NCFOM", you're describing me. However, I don't think it's because I'm a fanboy - I think it's because I'm not a movie person (I come here mostly because I love the writing). If you wanted to deconstruct comics or wrestling, though, I'd gladly wield my nerd-hammer. (2) Is the line really that clear between nerdish approaches to remakes/updates/adaptations and the fanboyesque approach? To give you an example, I had no problem whatsoever with the Michael Bay's interpretation of "Transformers", which I believe is the healthy approach. However, I hated the interpretation used in "Constantine" and wished they had called it something else because it had little to no relation to the comic book. A little more fanboyish, but again I believe this is the healthy approach. Doesn't the line lie somewhere in between there? Again, nice piece of writing, Dev!
Comment #7 (Posted by Slater)
Good stuff.
Comment #8 (Posted by SeanSolo)
Well done Devin. I had a heated argument with a Hulk fanboy this weekend about the Lee Hulk this weekend & your piece sums up our different sides. Nice.
Comment #9 (Posted by Sara)
I'm glad to know I'm a nerd - not a fanboy. I know a fanboy, though, and I see now why we don't get along. Thanks!
Comment #10 (Posted by AnimalStructure)
I get it now. Fanboys=conservatives and nerds=liberals. Must be nice to live in a such a close minded, black and white world that lacks any and all nuance.
Comment #11 (Posted by Dan V.)
I'd say this accurate/introspective "splitting of the hairs" article mostly nails it sans the seemingly too broad racist brushstroke. Well played. Well played indeed.
I had to point out, however: "I like being an adult, and I don't want my room to look like it was decorated by a 9 year old with a big allowance."
Yet an apartment decorated in playsets, toy banks, favorite movie posters and sculptured (ie: toy) DVD sets....? I'd say you might be too late on that wish of not wanting a rich 9 year old's decorating prowess. I see the passion, but I'm just sayin'...
Comment #12 (Posted by Beldar)
Good stuff. It's basically the difference between the guy who writes fan fiction and the guy who creates his own characters and stories. I'm sure we're all guilty of being fanboys every once in a while. You're definitely right about the AICN talkbacks being a fanboy wildlife preserve. I was looking up a review for some movie (maybe Paul Schneider's Pretty Bird) on AICN the other day, and there were approximately 4 posts, and I don't think any of them even really responded to the review. Compare that to the Terminator 4 talkback which has 3500 posts (and counting).
Comment #13 (Posted by smegmaster)
Can we stop with the masturbatory "discussions" and proceed with that much-vaunted exploitation film column? Unless Devin has chickened out -- but why would he when the "Addio Zio Tom" article can be filled with countless personal anecdotes?
Comment #14 (Posted by H. Perry)
Mr. Faraci, I compliment your keen social evaluation. This is obviously something you've put great time and thought into, and it shows. But one has to wonder why you felt compelled to share it with us? I can understand the need to make clear this distinction to yourself, but others? I understand your strong feelings, targeted as you have been by improper nomenclature, but doesn't writing an even well-founded and articulate editorial deriding those on the other side of the aisle, doesn't that kind of, not hatred, but certainly condescension, toward fanboys turn you into the very sort of hard-nosed fundamentalist, or "literalist," you're decrying? Again, I thought the article was very well-written and chock full of points on society and culture with which I both agreed and identified. Just playing the advocate...
Comment #15 (Posted by RCA)
Speaking of David Lean, Dr Zhivago was pretty boring. Awesome sets, but I didn't really care for it. I guess it doesn't help that I watched the second disc first not knowing what the fuck was going on until I saw "THE END" 45 minutes into the movie. I don't remember them having convincing, if any, Russian accents either. Hmmm, this has no bearing to the point you are trying to make does it?..... I guess it's time you bow down before Lucas and proclaim each Stars Wars film equal in the pantheon of movie history!! Dude, they got fuckin' laser swords! Lasers!!!!
Comment #16 (Posted by Devin)
smegmaster, just based on the small possibility that you're not a troll and actually missed it, I did the first CHUDsploitation column, and there's not a personal anecdote in it.
http://chud.com/articles/articles/13866/1/CHUDSPLOITATION-ADDIO-ZIO-TOM/Page1.html
Comment #17 (Posted by the mighty joe)
good article
Comment #18 (Posted by Joe LeFors)
Great piece, Devin. I will say, though, that having a prominently displayed "playset" of any kind does put you in a bit of a glass house.
Comment #19 (Posted by Scott)
Brilliant article, Devin and thank you. You crystallized a lot of things I had trouble putting into words. A lot of my friends ( none of whom share my interests-at least not to the degree that I do)ask me "why don't you go to more conventions and make more friends?" They mean well, but this sort of sums it up nicely. While i do love things like Star Trek and The (Marvel) Avengers, I don't think I have the intestinal fortitude to hang out with people who are seriously convinced that The Return of the King is an infinitely superior film to, say, McCabe and Mrs. Miller. Which is not to say I didn't like ROTK, but you get the idea.
Comment #20 (Posted by maceodkat)
#1 - great points, and great read, and man i dont want to say it, but i hated transformers, and yes i was old enough to watch the cartoons, but I dont think it was a holy grail type situation where it cant be adapted to a modern medium and audience.
Example: "Grizzly Park", having your psycho killer get introduced the park rangers and kids with blood all over his shirt, while he's wearing an unzippered jacket, kinda pulls you out of the whole story.
When you have transforming robots playing hide-and-go seek behind trees and telephone poles, its kinda the same thing.
Add to the mix a pretty good cast of folks and a splashy exec credit to the beard, and you can see how hopes can be squashed by an evil rubic's cube and bumble bee pissing on Jesus.
now does me defending my hatred of transformers make me a fan boy?
Comment #21 (Posted by Visual Aids)
I dunno. I always like your writing, even when you're being annoying (The Goonies IS a good film. And The Monster Squad IS better than Night of the Creeps: {I love both, though}). I think geek-love is kind of tacit and doesn't need to be qualified. Dicks that love Star Trek regardless of quality are dicks. Dicks that love Buffy/Anglel are aces. That's it.
Comment #22 (Posted by Kevski)
Nicely put, Devin, and I for one am proud to stand with the nerds, and yet still want to help to ease the fanboys out of their self-imposed exile and inot adult life. You CAN have a study full of McFarlane dioramas AND a spouse! Who gives you sex! Geek stereotypes aside, you're right on the money with this. Nicely put.
And I also have the old BSG ringtone on my ancient Nokia 3310. Yes, I refuse to update my phone. Don't judge me. My old BSG monophonic ringtone rules.
Comment #23 (Posted by Cool Jerk)
Amen. Truly, one of your best articles. The funny thing is, I find nerds, myself included, have to fight the (lazy?)inclination to get fan-boyish about our most beloved childhood properties. I remember having a hard time getting over the switch to organic web shooters in the original "Spider-Man". I think the key is , as you said, the ability to discuss these properties, and be grown-up enough to enable your thoughts/opinions to change and evolve. Once again, great Advocate, Devin!
Comment #24 (Posted by Truth)
Everyone thinks they are a nerd. No one thinks they are a fanboy.
Comment #25 (Posted by Pat from Boston)
This is a pretty awesome piece, but the expression "fanboy wildlife preserve" elevates it to Pulitzer level.
Comment #26 (Posted by an unknown user)
there's something deeper about the works of Herschell Gordon Lewis*.
*Well, actually there probably isn't.
Too fucking right.
Comment #27 (Posted by TVs David)
I've got Lone Wolf's Theme from Shogun Assassin as my ring tone and I always feel like a huge nerd when I have to explain to someone that it's from an Americanized version of two really awesome samurai movies put together and NOT video game music. I never just say, "It's from a movie." I have to give a short history of Lone Wolf and Cub.
Comment #28 (Posted by Carl90210)
Good stuff as always, Dev.
Comment #29 (Posted by LD)
I hope this one tops the page count hits (and subsequent ad revenue for CHUD) from the baiting of Serenity fans Devin did previously. The man always finds new ways to top himself, in some regard at any rate.
Comment #30 (Posted by an unknown user)
aka i am not duke fleed
Comment #31 (Posted by atinyspeckofdust)
Devin Faraci: De-Facto Fangirl.
Comment #32 (Posted by jib)
They worst fan-boys, BY FAR, are the video-game fan-boys. Their hate of an opposing game/console is solely due to the fact that they didn't have enough money to buy it, and so they convince themselves it sucks. Conversely, a lot of the things they love, because after spending $50 and all the time to play it, they have to convince themselves all the money and time was worth it - it wasn't. But if they admitted that, they'd have to kill themselves - which would actually be GREAT!
Comment #33 (Posted by anon)
To those of us that have sex with woman, your ALL dorks!
Comment #34 (Posted by Jason)
Duke Fleed is Devin Faraci! Its all an elaborate hoax... a cruel joke. Devin has been fucking with us all this time!
Comment #35 (Posted by Knugen)
Having rolled in the sludge that is the AICN talkbacks myself I see your point about fanboys. Having a hard time with the marginal nerd aspects of my personality I have nothing but contempt for the fanboys. Genre products are universally of lesser quality than most other films and the sooner you realize that the sooner you leave the justifiably ostracized existence of nerddom and fanboyism. I applaud your ability to discern the lesser qualities of some genre properties. However, I am troubled by your collection of Buffy ( and in a lesser extent Angel) collections as they are the genre equivalents of the Gilmore Girls when it comes to superficial pseudo intellectual drama.
Comment #36 (Posted by Ramesh)
Jesus fucking H. D. R. Christ. You are just trying to make yourself feel better by inventing a new sub-level filth of humanity that is apparently even below your.
Does not exist bitch.
Comment #37 (Posted by mista spock)
i like eating my dinner in the hallway as opposed to eating in the apartment. nicely put sir. that was a good read. and we all know how hard it is to follow up a phil owen article these days.
Comment #38 (Posted by Doc Savage)
Devin...I do believe this is your Mein Kampf. I am ready to march. Where's my brown shirt?
Comment #39 (Posted by Jeremy Kulow)
I much perfer the term "Geek" to "Nerd." Nerds are good at Math.
Comment #40 (Posted by Critch)
Never have I read so much about a distinction I cared so little about!
Devin, you're a geek and a fanboy. You run a movie website, that's pretty much the most fanboy/geek/nerd/whatever thing you can do. Now you can do what the rest of us have done is accept it and continue on your swarmy snarky "F4 is better than Batman" way, or you can leave and go actually make something of yourself.
Myself, I'm gonna lock myself in the basement and play with my toys.
Comment #41 (Posted by Maj. Clipton)
"I like being an adult, and I don't want my room to look like it was decorated by a 9 year old with a big allowance."..."My bedroom has a Shaun of the Dead UK quad poster, a poster for the Alamo's Rolling Roadshow of The Warriors and the banned poster for Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan. There's a vintage Dr. Zaius bank on my TV next to the UK Phantasm ball DVD set; to the left of the desk where I'm writing this, on a book shelf, is a playset from The Thing. I have a poster for The Fountain in the dining nook, next to a Planet of the Apes Caesar head DVD case. I have shelves loaded down with film books, and my Rock Band drum set and my three fake guitars take up way too much space in the corner of my room. My Wii is in the living room, glowing eerie blue. Next to that is a shelf loaded with lots of DVDs, but only the really good ones I want to display; the rest are in a closet, in storage"
Comment #42 (Posted by Kaiju D'amato)
No depth to H.G. Lewis? He directed that Jesus movie a couple years ago, didn't he? ;)
Great insight as always, Devin - it takes a mildly self hating nerd to drop some lines like that.
Comment #43 (Posted by hmmm...)
things i learned from this article. you are not a fanboy. you are a nerd. you are also a hairy, chipmunk-grin possessing, living-with-a-roomate-at-30-something, media whoore (as brit eklund would say).
Comment #44 (Posted by General Fellicious)
This site is a Fanboy for Apatow, is it not?
Comment #45 (Posted by Crackarm)
This is officially your "I AM NOT SPOCK" moment, Devin.
Comment #46 (Posted by PWLovecraft)
People use labels to catagorize others as it absolves them of any responsibility to try and understand and empathize with people.
Comment #47 (Posted by Lee)
Here I was thinking "Oh great, another Devin rant that's going to piss me off". Here I am stunned that I agreed with everything you wrote. I may have to cite some of your points when making future arguments. Nice work.
Comment #48 (Posted by Justin)
A+ #1 writing again, Devin.
Comment #49 (Posted by Logo Lou)
I agree Deving, but Transformers was still a horrible, HORRIBLE film. Bay sucks. I guess his kind of "spectacle" I just don't like. It's like a fireworks show with the all the same color fireworks.
Comment #50 (Posted by JoeyD)
Excellent, Dev. Good job.
Comment #51 (Posted by Grant)
I came in to say roughly the same thing that Abe Frohman said in post #5 -- there's not a small amount of irony in Devin railing against the fanboys as inferior, especially in light of the whole "shit rolls downhill" statement.
If you want the truth, there's far too much divisiveness among people with similar alternative interests. What's more, it's usually in the form of faux intellectualism. You're essentially using the fact that you're educated and well-written as a differentiating qualifier to deflect external judgment from a behavior most normal adults view as arrested development. ("Wait, no! I'm not the bad kind of nerd! I've read stuff and I can speak intelligently about what Darren Aronofsky was trying to say...")
Want the hard truth? The fact that we're all here at CHUD means that nobody's got even so much as a single leg to stand on in the "I'm Not Nerdy" sweepstakes. Now that I've held up the mirror, it's up to you to decide how you choose to deal with that fact. I feel fine embracing what I am, but if you prefer to stay in the closet about how nerdy and pathetic most people think you are... then that's your limitation, not mine.
Comment #52 (Posted by Gov. Breck)
Because YOUR kind were once our ancestors. Because Nerd was born of Fanboy, and there's still a fanboy curled up inside of every nerd. You're the beast in us that we have to whip into submission. You're the savage that we need to shackle in chains. You TAINT us, Caesar. You poison our guts. When we hate you, we're hating the dark side of ourselves.
Comment #53 (Posted by Fanboy nerdlinger)
Devin is fat. Really fat. And ugly. Really really fucking ugly.
Comment #54 (Posted by Tennyson E. Stead)
I'm with you mate - identity is the central issue, and ultimately, a means of avoiding accountability. " I am what I am" is a way of saying "I can't handle any more or do any better, so don't ask."
Comment #55 (Posted by childeroland)
Many of the anti-Singer rants going around are a good example of homophobia mixed up with criticism of a film. I didn't like 'Superman Returns' much myself, but the most virulent detractors give the impression they hated the film because of Singer's orientation.
Comment #56 (Posted by Lyttleton)
This was actually pretty well written and thorough. I can respect what is being said here, even if some people could certainly point to some hypocrisy on Devin's part. But, to misquote Thom Yorke, being an adult means being a hypocrite.
"These films will also always be the violent prestige pictures, the No Country for Old Mens, and never the prestige pictures about a woman or about human interaction that doesn't involve killing." <- This is the sadness. Because there was a time when CHUD actually seemed to give a shit about other types of films that weren't 'genre' or genre-related films. Maybe that was Nick, I dunno. But that's a whole other (long dead) post.
All and all, a good read.
Comment #57 (Posted by Jorge Sanchez)
just had this same conversation with a few friends a few weeks ago. There is a big difference between a nerd and a fanboy and i think one of the big problems with many movies today is that there are a lot of fanboy directors/producers that just won't dig deep to find what really makes a character or concept interesting. I think that's why we are seeing so much undeveloped concepts in what could otherwise be very good movies.
Comment #58 (Posted by themidnighter)
This column, more clearly than anything you've ever written, exposes a lot about your character, Devin. It proves that, while you may not be a self-hating fanboy, you are incredibly insecure, and on some level ashamed of your interests. You spend thousands of words trying to justify how you're smarter and all-around superior to those cloistered lepers you call fanboys, an act that makes you look obsessed with people mistaking you for a fanboy. But, as a 34 (ish?) year old man, haven't you reached the point in your life where you think: "hey, who cares if someone thinks I'm a fanboy?" Doesn't the simple knowledge that you're NOT satisfy you? Why else would you make such a desperate plea for the approval of the faceless strangers who read your column, if you weren’t ashamed of who you are, and what you like?
Comment #59 (Posted by an unknown user)
TOO TRUE DEV, TOO TRUE
10/10 FAN FUCKING TASTIC
I JUST JIZZED ON MY KEYBOARD
Comment #60 (Posted by ennui)
Devin, you are the best at what you do from what i have seen. You are a talented writer and it must pain you to be lumped in with the screaming tards in the AICN talkbacks.
But this article reminds me of when I used to play in MTG tournements years ago. It was a disgustingly embarrassing hobby (even though I enjoyed the hell out of it) and I kept it secret from my co-workers for a reason. I may of known that it was an intricate game that required careful analysis of the cards and meta game to be successful, but I looked like a pedophile with a backpack full of pokeman cards.
You may wish to make a distinction between yourself and the fanboys, but to most people you will continue to resemble one.
Comment #61 (Posted by Ronald Bryan)
I had a well written essay questioning how one can sometimes tell the difference, when nerds and fanboys alike love a movie like No Country, or how someone like Mark Steven Johnson is seen as a fanboy (he is) for being too into the mythos of Ghost Rider or Daredevil but Rodriguez and Snyder get praised for word for word shot for shot adaptations of Frank Miller works. And then I hit the backspace key and it went back to the main CHUD page. Ah, well, this will do.
Comment #62 (Posted by pembroseus)
Great article Devin. But with that said...
"This is officially your "I AM NOT SPOCK" moment, Devin."
I got a hearty lol out of this.
Comment #63 (Posted by Artard)
Devin, you need an editor.
Comment #64 (Posted by Rusty James)
one of the great vitriolic and devastatingly accurate rants of our time. You sir are a rouge and a scholar.
Comment #65 (Posted by John)
I'm going to have to take this as a chance to link you guys to a comic I wrote with a friend about this once. I don't think I can post html here so copy and paste if you're interested:
http://coffeetimecomics.com/coffeetime/main/ctv1e14p1.shtml
This is one of our older comics so I'm not really looking for critiques on it. Just thought someone might be interested.
Comment #66 (Posted by JSW)
Who wants to be a nerd or a fanboy? I would rather be me. It's that simple. If you need your little freakin titles, then you are not ready to grow up. You are ready to be labelled for being a person with interest.
Oh yeah Knughen; you have to be a mental to feel that way about Angel and Buffy. Seriously, it grows tiring that I have to defend these two great shows to people like you, who seem oblivious to good TV.
Comment #67 (Posted by Jeff)
And as an ironic footnote to all this, only a dork would ever seriously care about the difference between a nerd and a fanboy.
Comment #68 (Posted by Biggs)
Honestly, Devin...Great writing.
I think you've also summed up the difference between AiCN and Chud.com to a lesser extent as well, which is why I think some people really click with your writing style, reviews and so forth (like myself) and others...just scanning the talk back here, clearly DON'T "get it"
I don't know about clearly "labelling" people though into 2 generalised categories is quite the right the way around it though, because obviously there's a MASSIVE difference between having love for a genre film like Star Wars and signing up for Star-Wars based forums...and then participating in rabid and daily discussion about the movie...and THEN talking about the property as your own.
I think that's the major flaw in your discussion that you forgot to include.
Because there's actually 3 groups...
There's really a group in the middle between the two, which I think is the "undecided" among us, who just genuinely love films. We'll collect the odd piece of movie memorabilia but we don't descriminate films based upon a Trailer, a Director...a cast member and so forth.
That's the most disturbing part of Internet-Based film following, or the "Spoiler" sites like AiCN and Chud, because you get these really bizzare folk writing off a movie based on a trailer, or a cast member or a Director...I don't get the hate for someone Michael Bay for example, he makes films for a Demographic...for a particular type of the movie going public...and he makes the studio a buck at the end of the day, so he fills the role they need him to.
Film loving, is like the Radio Station market...there is a Radio Station for EVERYONE these days...and you're socially judged by whether or not you CHOOSE to allign yourself to 1 or 2 particular stations and therefore, you're by association judged on your music tastes. I remember being back at school, there was this MASSIVE peer-pressure thing going on and all the, deemed, "cool" kids were getting their Jizz on for the 'Presidents of the United States" latest album...
Now, I DIDN'T get it. I'm a music lover, a follower...composer and classical music fan...but I just didn't like their music, therefore I was deemed "wrong" by the majroity...now I look back, and I'm glad I made the distinctive choice to NOT go down that road of choosing something that I didn't genuinely like. Because, they sucked in the long term.
You can apply this same logic to movies...among Fanboys AND Nerds, you're judged based upon your movie tastes. You HAVE to chose to like, or love the Prequel films (for example) you HAVE to make the distinction between the Batman Films...you HAVE to pick a Marvel or DC Franchise...you HAVE to want 1 Summer movie to fail, and one to succeed.
Ultimately, socially (and mostly online) based film following requires you to decide between 2 groups. Nerds and Fanboys...
Which is where your argument falls down, because there is ALSO a selective "Third" group, which I think is where YOU personally would fit more into...
Internet Based Movie Fans.
Or iFans, for lack of a better Cliche.
Because we DON'T want to be part of EITHER group. We CAN choose love a range of Films, and we (Generally) root for ALL movies, regardless of whether their blockbusters or not. We're NOT afraid to enjoy movies like Juno for what they are, but still turn up to IronMan and BIG summer movies.
But I also think, this Third group ultimately has ONE advantage over being either Nerds or Fanboys, and that is when we turn off our computer from reading the updates* from Chud...we can seperate our INTERNET based love for films, and the REALITY of life.
Because we don't LIVE it.
We just enjoy them, for the escapism they provide.
Ultimately movies are entertainment, I always see them as that. I don't dedicate my life to collecting movie figures or reading ALL the spoilers about a particular movie...but I do enjoy the active discussion online about SOME movies...
But I still sleep at night...
I think ultimately that's where the Nerds/Fanboys don't "get" it...is that, you HAVE to seperate your love of Entertainment and the your love LIFE.
Because they're two very different things.
Hope that all made sense.
* Awesome by the way, they're just Awesome.
Comment #69 (Posted by Knugen)
Valid point Biggs, although I would put that third group ahead of both FBs and nerds since it seems to be a nudge closer to real life. I would further more attribute the varied tastes of myself as an appreciation of good writing and performances. Ironically that seems to be a defining character of the better writers of the hard core fanboy site AICN. Speaking of irony, the design of this site is well, plagued by svere fanboysim if there ever was such a thing. Come to think of it, nerd can be attributed to several different cultural tastes i.e. music, art, exercise, design and so forth. Fanboyism is relegated to purely escapist mediums like comics, movies and games. It's all about rationality, which is the bane of all fundamentalism. (managed to squeeze in a bit of humanism there, yay!)
Comment #70 (Posted by Dan Sheets)
Good show old boy!
Comment #71 (Posted by Rebecca)
I would like to add one thing to this great essay. My own personal observation has been that "fanboys" (and "fangirls", for that matter) tend to jump on the bandwagon of whatever happens to be popular at the moment. Now i'm not saying all fanboys/girls are like this; just that when the hype on something dies down - whether it's 'Star Wars', 'Lord of the Rings', 'Batman', etc.. - nerds tend to be a little more loyal.
Comment #72 (Posted by David Curran)
I emailed your rant to my wife with the question: Am I a fanboy or a nerd? Her response. Your a geek, nerds can do math. I think we have nerd subset.
Comment #73 (Posted by Tull)
I would even go as far as saying nerds should just be officially called otaku. While otaku seem to have been seen as another term for fanboy an otaku doesn't really disparages anything that may go against their particular taste. In fact they'll try to learn more about the other side of the argument just to be knowledgable about it. Sounds like a nerd to me.
Comment #74 (Posted by Mr. Fabulous)
Oh fuck off Devin.
Comment #75 (Posted by an unknown user)
Great Expectations is my favorite David Lean film
Comment #76 (Posted by rob)
yo RCA, i did the exact same thing with Zhivago, the 2nd disc first. probably one of the craziest movie experiences of my life. that's the only way zhivago can be viewed. dont try and tell me otherwise dammit!
Comment #77 (Posted by Unknown Soldier)
Well played, Devin. Way to use peer pressure on us so we’ll visit your site instead of AICN. Well it isn’t going to work! Harry Knowles is a God! A God I tell you!
Comment #78 (Posted by Not the guy in the picture above)
"...the banned poster for Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan. There's a vintage Dr. Zaius bank on my TV next to the UK Phantasm ball DVD set; to the left of the desk where I'm writing this, on a book shelf, is a playset from The Thing."
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!
Comment #79 (Posted by Brodieb)
Very nice article! I think the internet is great since it allows nerds like me to be who we are without shame - sadly, it also allows fanboys to spew their racist, sexist, homophobic, and anti-semitic rants without shame. Tis' a double edged sword you have to love and hate at the same time.
Comment #80 (Posted by an unknown user)
I think that there are bits of fanboys and nerds in everyone though. Everyone has said at any point in time," I will see any movie (insert actor/director name) makes!" I know that it's true. And what's also funny is that I hated Transformers, I hated it with a passion. It's a terrible movie. Regardless of the fact it has nothing to do with Transformers. But I love transformers the show.. and the animated movie. Sure, there is a level of nostalgia, as there is with anything you are revisiting. I know you don't want to admit it, but there is a bit of a fan boy level here. You are correct about the difference in terms of arguments. But eventually the argument will eventually end up at," I just like it. Leave me alone".
Comment #81 (Posted by Josh)
I think it's wrong for you to assume that all Christians hate evolution because they don't understand it. Many of us do understand it and we don't hate it we just don't believe that is adequately explains the complexity found in life forms.
Comment #82 (Posted by kwolfhard)
Goddamn, Devin. Yet another fantastic Advocate.
Comment #83 (Posted by an unknown user)
Devin's not a fanboy? Please refer to every article he's ever written bitching about the new Star Trek movie.
Okay, maybe Devin's not a fanboy by his own strict definition of the term, but at the very least he's some sort of Dr. Moreau genetic hybrid. A fanerd? Nope, sounds too much like fat nerd.
Guess we'll just have to go simple. NERDBOY it is then. From now on I dub Mr. Faraci a NERDBOY. Go spread your disease to the CHUD masses my pet.
Comment #84 (Posted by in awe)
Well said Devin. I always wondered if Fanboys just sat around all day racking their brains with fresh ways to insult people or coming up with new ways to say gay.
Comment #85 (Posted by Random User)
"I always wondered if Fanboys just sat around all day racking their brains with fresh ways to insult people or coming up with new ways to say gay."
Gee, like Devin does in almost every article he writes?
Comment #86 (Posted by Not A Transformers Fan/Virgin)
Great article. It's funny how the fanboys totally missed the point. Ah, such is life.
Comment #87 (Posted by an unknown user)
Up with hypocrisy, down with tolerance!
Thanks for that uplifting sentiment, now go back and play with your toys.
Comment #88 (Posted by Carl S.)
If you don't believe that it adequately explains the complexity found in life forms then you don't understand it.
Comment #89 (Posted by noneofyourbusiness)
Oh, God...thank you Devin, you've changed my life! Now I can truly aspire to be a true, intellectual nerd like you as opposed to the oppressed, un-seeing, Christian, married and has sex with my wife and really tries not to feel sorry for you becasue you've obviously never had any friends and will NEVER have a girlfriend because you obviously don't have any respect for yourself (because you know....you're really fat), fanboy! Seriously, do you have a pamplet I can read or something?
Comment #90 (Posted by Coswald)
This article is the reason this site rocks. And the comments it spawned is the icing. Devin, I think you downloaded my brain at some point without my knowledge. I'd sic my lawyers on you, but I don't have any.
Comment #91 (Posted by Josh)
If it took let's say 100,000 years for a rodent to evolve into a bat then that means that the transotory species is some pitiful creature that would have legs that are to long to run with but too short to fly with. This pitiful hobbling creature would not have survived predators and would have had a very hard time getting enough food to sustain it's life. The same problem with sea creatures adapting to land, gills don't work too well on landr, and lungs aren't great in the water. Nearly any mutation by itself is a negative until finally everything just happens to click. Take the eye for example, it has millions of components that have to fit just right or it doesn't work at all. That means before the eye was a functioning unit it was something akin to a tumor, sensitive and a definate weakness. I do understand evolution, it just doesn't explain the complexity of life.
Comment #92 (Posted by Weeawho?)
@Tull
Fuck off, weaboo scum!
Comment #93 (Posted by bologna sandwich)
your a fanboy, but whatever helps you sleep at night.
Comment #94 (Posted by The Truth)
You may not be a fanboy, but you're still a pretentious, delusional, self loathing asshole. A quote from Talk Radio springs to mind - Are you really that ugly?
Comment #95 (Posted by Evan Waters)
There are actually quite a few "primitive" types of eyes in the animal kingdom- spiders have fairly crude eyes that do little more than distinguish light from dark. That basic photosensitive quality is enough to be beneficial in itself, and from there more complex eyes can develop.
Sorry. Agree with the basic thrust of the article, for the most part. It's not really a clean distinction, I would think, more of a spectrum.
Comment #96 (Posted by an unknown user)
I think the lady doth protest too much...
Comment #97 (Posted by Boggy)
who am i to say you are a self loathing nerd? i dont know how it feels to be you, i can only speak for myself. and for myself... you are a cunt.
and counseling can do wonders by the way.
Comment #98 (Posted by sympathizer)
This is so accurate, it's scary. Sad thing is, I have a few friends that would be, for lack of better terms, "half-breeds," of which some of it almost rubs off on me. I won't speak for them, but the nerd mindset is dominant enough that I will never co-exist with 100% pure fanboys, for the simple fact that they are everything you mentioned.