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THE DEVIN'S ADVOCATE: WATCH AND WATCH AGAIN?
- By Devin Faraci
- Published 03/16/2008
- The Devin's Advocate
This week I was taken to task on our message boards - not for being fat
(that's what the comments section below is for), but for having
recommended too many comedies last year. The person took issue with my
enthusiasm for what he saw as a large number of comedies, but not
necessarily because they weren't funny. Here's what he said: Not saying that there is anything inherently wrong with loving comedy, just saying it is the rare comedy that is truly worth repeat viewings with the mind turned on[.]
In another post he said:
Shouldn't movies be rewatchable just as great books are rereadable? Of course, for that analogy to work, I'd have to believe people still read books. Ah well.
Leaving aside his intellectual snobbery (which I full endorse! Huzzah!), I'm intrigued by this guy's point. He's articulating what I think has been a major change in the way that audiences relate to movies - they've gone from being disposable entertainment to collectible entertainment. And this might not be the best turn of events.
When I say movies used to be disposable entertainments I don't mean that they were considered things that could be thrown away (although they were. A huge number of silent films are completely, irrevocably lost because nobody bothered to hold on to them) but rather that they were intended to be watched once, or a few times. For decades you could only see movies in theaters, and while there were annual revivals of particularly popular titles, your average filmgoer would likely see a movie one time. TV added more options and changed the audience's relationship with film - you could now see old movies that would have otherwise been disintegrating in studio vaults, for instance - but you were at the mercy of the station's programmer. With the exception of holiday favorites who knew when you would next get a chance to see a particular movie.
Things began to change with home video. Suddenly movies became collectible objects*; instead of only seeing it in theaters or hoping to catch a showing on The Million Dollar Movie, you could watch a movie whenever you felt like it. Today you can watch them wherever you feel like; I have a handheld thing that holds 80 gigs of data - that's 20 to 40 movies, depending on compression.
In the past I've bitched about how the easy access to movies has made them less special. In a better world having all of the greats of film at arm's length would lead to a greater cinema literacy, but to my eyes it sure hasn't. If anything, knowing that a movie will be on DVD in four months after the theatrical release has led to people being lazier about seeing films and the idea of seeing movies - once a great and exciting social activity - has been demoted to something you do when you're trying to get some sleep.
While this access has led to movies being less special, I think it may have led us to expect something more out of them, something that isn't always necessary for a film to be worthwhile. The more we consume movies at home, by buying DVDs, the more concerned we become with the idea that the investment in that DVD be a sound one - are we getting our money's worth? And the math for that is simple: will this movie be rewatchable?
It's sort of interesting that the guy uses books in his post, since how many of us buy books based on the idea that we'll read them three or four times? Of course books are bigger time investments than movies - we're getting our money's worth because we'll be reading the book for days (this is an example of why comic books are the single worst way to spend your money). My shelves are filled with books that I have read once, and will likely never read again. I thought Jeffrey Eugenides' Middlesex was brilliant, but I can't imagine why I would pick it up again any time in this decade. Does that make the book less worthy, less good in some way? Of course not. Could another reading of the book open up new themes, meanings or imagery for me? Sure, and the book is so well written that I think it's almost guaranteed that I will pick up new things another time through. But there are still so many other books out there, and frankly sometimes one and done is enough.
The same thing goes for movies. I saw Superbad at San Diego Comic Con last July... and haven't seen it again since. I don't even own the DVD. I would watch it again if I had a friend who wanted to see it with me, and I would watch it again if I came across it on cable. I'd watch it again, but don't feel the need to do so. I loved the movie the first time I saw it, and any coverage I gave it on the site reflected that. And to be honest I'm okay with that; I wasn't advocating that you become domestic partners with the movie, just that you go out and see it.
The truth is that not every movie is built to withstand multiple viewings. They don't all have to be; the really, really good ones - the classics - should be able to withstand a viewing a year without falling apart, but not every film has to be that way. Sometimes movies just have to work on the day. Unless the day is when you're buying the DVD for 20 bucks and sticking the case on your display shelf for eternity. Now the movie has passed from something that you can watch and enjoy into something bigger, more meaningful. People come over your house and see it on the shelf. It's an indicator of your personality and your lifestyle. Once upon a time movies had to earn two hours in front of your eyes, but today they have to earn an eternity in your collection. That just seems like too harsh a standard.
Don't take this as a defense of mindless, dumb movies - there are plenty of damn smart movies I've seen once or twice and never again - I saw Children of Men twice in theaters and have never even opened the DVD case, just to use another example of a modern movie. It's funny - I used to watch new movies on DVD a minimum of twice in the first few months I had them, now I almost never buy new DVDs at all. It hasn't been a conscious decision, but I feel like I'm saving myself from burning out on these movies too early. The great films of the past were movies that held up over time but were also movies that I would see once or twice a year, if even that. There's something to be said about moderation when it comes to how many times you see a film; how will any movie hold up to the test of time when you're subjecting it to that test every three or four weeks?
*I do understand that for the hardcore, people who collected prints and the like, they always were.
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Comment #1 (Posted by Ross)
I always find this interesting when you bring this up, Devin. For a while now you have been saying you quit buying dvd's, which i thought was interesting. Sometimes the biggest kick i can get is when i've had a shitty day and im going through the ol' dvd collection and come across something i havent seen in a while and it reminds me how much i love said film. I DO get confused now too since EVERYONE claims to be a movie buff because they have a copy of I Heart Huckabees or The Big Lebowski that they bought from the bargain bin on their shelves. I would have to disagree about the movie being something you should experince with a crowd. I stumbled across Evil Dead 2 when i was eight years old and i couldnt have loved that film anymore than watching it alone in my room. If i recall you had a different experince watching the same movie with a group of people recently at Edgar Wright's shindig. I guess I'm going the long way of saying that its all a matter of taste to the individual.
Comment #2 (Posted by Reinhold)
Obligatory Apatow Reference.
Comment #3 (Posted by Chris C)
Interesting article, Devin, I agree with a lot of it. Here's an added wrinkle, though. As a parent I can't go to see every movie I want to see in the theater, I don't usually have the time and I damn sure don't have the money. So most of my viewing is after the theatrical run. Now, if it's a "prestige" movie I'll order it OnDemand and me and the wife will watch it. However, if it's something that I'm sure I'm going to enjoy as a movie and not necessarily as a piece of cinema I'll buy the DVD.
I can be as snobby as the next guy, but I'm not going to buy Babel on DVD, I'd never watch it past the initial viewing. However, I'm pretty sure that my copy of Crank is, at some point, going to wear through.
And, in agreement with another of your points, I caught Fight Club on one of the movie channels the other night. Haven't watched the film in a couple of years, even though the DVD is sitting on my shelf. I sat there enjoying and admiring the hell out of that film, wondering why I don't watch it more often, and now I'm glad that I don't -- there's a joy to watching something you haven't seen in forever and riding the shock of the new.
Comment #4 (Posted by rudewordsmith)
This particular article struck a chord with me, Devin. I agree that things like, oh, bit torrents and the like, make seeing movies in theatres a thing of the past. Not to mention, it does keep some very deserving films from making any profit at the box office... but I digress.
There are some instances in which I prefer watching a film on my own. But then, there are some films that just work better with a full house. I think the important thing is how each film has its own experience, and just appreciating that moment in time. If not for the gift of cinema, I'd probably off myself; crowded theatre or empty living room.
Comment #5 (Posted by Dean Stockwell)
I've been pondering this. I agree about everything you said, which is rare. I'll open up my thoughts more on the posting board.
Comment #6 (Posted by LOST HIGHWAY)
Great Advocate. On the money. I'm like you in that I rarely buy new releases(the extras would have to really rock hard). Too many classics I've yet to see. (A cinephile's long and winding road) Lately, the classic releases seem to be the only DVD's worthy of the "special edition" label. I like the idea of letting my new favorites breathe a little. And yet, I find it harder and harder to find friends(or family) willing to watch a movie over ten yrs. old. My uncle used to be kinda a film buff, but he cringed when I brought over EL CID. He wanted to watch HITMAN. Argggh!
Comment #7 (Posted by Lyttleton)
I think it would be interesting if you gave 'unnamed guy' a chance for a rebuttal. After all, you quote him, maybe he's got a response, perhaps a separate column for a healthy, rational debate (which, let's be honest, would never happen on the boards).
Just a thought.
Comment #8 (Posted by Ronald Bryan)
I pretty much agree. While something like Superbad may not be "required" viewing over and over, people should still see it because it is good. Why must I watch a movie every week in order for it to be good? Why not just own a movie so if someone else I know wants to see it, they can borrow it.
Comment #9 (Posted by Sean)
I have to agree with your observation that movies have become a collectible itme nowadays with home video. However I have to differ with you on the subject of whether this is a good thing or not. I think that asking that something you spend your time, money, and, in the best films, mental effort, be rewarding in some way. While I have to say that yes, some films actually do that, and do so over many viewings, asking that of more of the films people spend all of their effort, etc. on is in no way a bad thing. If anything, it's a turn toward the better from a viewing audience.
On a tangentially related note, Devin, I have to "take you to task", as you put it, for going against that which you specifically write out in a good many of your negative reviews that you've written, albeit in a passing way: that the quality of films has only gone down over the years. Asking that films get better, and then turning it all around when the viewing public only asks the same, and then blaming that change in the public on their somehow-misled assumption that something be enjoyable more than once, is like the emo dickheads who drop a band once they become famous; you're basically saying "I thought that before it was cool". Get over yourself. If your assumption that people want more for their money is correct, then you've got people behind you on the subject; why not embrace it, rather than shoot yourself in the foot with this diatribe saying they're going too far?
Comment #10 (Posted by Yuri Wuensch)
The praise that Superbad receives astounds me. It barely warrants a pass. It's sort of quaint, but incredibly flat, loverly long and, consequently, not all that funny.
Comment #11 (Posted by Devin)
Lyttleton, I'm confused... do the comments section AND the message board somehow not offer you a chance for rebuttal?
Comment #12 (Posted by slater)
What astounds me is how far up devins ass apatows cock can go. Amazing.
Comment #13 (Posted by an unknown user)
This isn't especially relevant, but I watched Superbad five or six times theatrically (all but one were free screenings) and loved it every time. I haven't yet sat through the whole thing at home... Partly because the "unrated" edition doesn't flow as well for me (at least in the twenty minutes or so I've watched).
But me and my friends, or my friends and I, can watch comedies multiple times. Good comedy stands up better second time round than any other genre. People may disagree, but I find drama much more dependent on plot whereas comedy features a lot more standalone moments, and much more stuff you might miss first time round.
Comment #14 (Posted by Lyttleton again)
Because a true Rebuttal requires equal space and audience (which the forums do not allow). And I have to clear my cookies every time I want to repost here.
I get that I'm asking for more than I will ever get, but as was proven in the forum when I posted, the only people in the forum are people who agree with you, Devin (mostly other writers for this site, it seems), whereas these talkbacks reveal that there are many people who read this site who do not necessarily agree with everything you breathe. I am not anti-Devin, not by any means; in fact, I agree with a lot of what you have to say (including your social views). That said, I find it interesting when opinionated writers who decry other people (i.e. the President) for suppressing other views do the same thing in their own arena. Equal time and space. I'm well-read, articulate and have a degree in writing. It's not like I'm gonna write a stream-of-consciousness blog of anger (which seems to be the use of the forum.) Was this response hard to follow and a pain on the eyes to read? Then I suppose I answered your question of why the comments section is not a useful area for rebuttal. (For one, no paragraph breaks.)
Comment #15 (Posted by Tennyson E. Stead)
You're touching on a deeper issue here too, I think. I think a lot of people watch films to anchor themselves in an identity - I know I did in high school - and to some extent, I think people have come to expect the media to define them. Our culture should be a reflection of us, shouldn't it - and not the other way around?
Comment #16 (Posted by John)
Definitely in agreement with this article. Once I got Netflix I stopped buying films(not trying to sound like an advertisement). I found a way where I could watch something new almost anytime I wanted. I wasn't limited to the crappy options of a video store or the same old options in my collection. I own a lot of movies that I haven't re-watched in years. They aren't bad movies, but with so many options out there to tackle something new, I don't see why I shouldn't just go that route. If I do watch something that I've seen before I like a lot of space between viewings.
I have a lot of friends who will sit down for the same movies over and over again and I can't understand that. Most of those friends are stoners, so maybe I can...
Comment #17 (Posted by MEG: New Line's Invisible Heaven's Gate)
I'd actually turn that argument around: movies, by their logistics alone, are so hard to make, let alone make WELL, that the persons involved should strive to inject as much rewatchibility into their films as possible. Books, on the other hand, being written by one person (or a small group) could afford to be more disposable simply because the journey from A-Z is more straightforward. I'm not arguing for one medium or another, but with films being the average two hours they should give you more "bang for your buck" (rewatchibility) than books, which are long term commitments.
Comment #18 (Posted by Jake)
Why should they strive to put as much rewatchability in as they can? For one, striving to put as much of anything in as possible (eg "as much meaning as possible") is a recipe for disaster. And, on top of that, the goal of rewatchability is totally artificial, or at least optional, and not at all intrinsic to the broad range of mediums which fall under "telling a story." Are plays written to be re-watched? You don't need to own a film, you can pay $10 and see it once in the theater. That's always been the primary distribution method and viewing style of a feature film. If that film resonates with you, thanks to modern technology you now have the option to own a copy for yourself. Filmmakers should (and, usually, do) strive to make the best film they can, and if you happen to want to watch it over and over, you are presented with that option. I don't know why the hell they should somehow have the goal of crafting a film just so the widening-range of film geeks can watch it ever morning while making breakfast.
"Bang for your buck" is generally a sickening argument anyway. Are the best films the longest, or the most dense with content or meaning or special effects? Some are, maybe, but the "most bang for your buck" attitude (again, "trying to put as much of X as you can into your creative work") generally brings about more shit than gold, it seems.
Comment #19 (Posted by sven vollstag)
...comic books are a waste of money? i lost interest there pal...
Comment #20 (Posted by Devin's Vagina Face)
Devin really gets paid for this shit?
Comment #21 (Posted by messi)
Comic books are a waste of money? Do you train hard in being a person that everyone hates and makes fun of? You do a good job at it. Also it's funny you bring up this point since you talked all this shit about Star Wars and people called you on it, and Star Wars is probably the most rewatchable movie and watched movie ever.
Comment #22 (Posted by Radu M)
Devin, excellent article. I am a movie collector like I'm sure a lot of people on here, but I can't bring myself to buy them anymore after I see them in theaters, unless it's a first time release of an older film like El Cid. Like you, I saw Children of Men twice theatrically, I bought the dvd when it came out, but I haven't watched it since. I thought it was a great film, but I got burned out like you said. The same happened with Batman Begins, and I'm a huge Batman fan.
Comment #23 (Posted by BurmaShave)
I was like you about CHILDREN OF MEN for a long while, but I finally busted it out and watched it again, and now I watch it a fair amount both on DVD and when it's on cable. It's firmly enshrined in my estimation as the best film so far this decade, and I feel like watching and getting used to it will make the future that will obviously be very similar a little bit more bearable.
Comment #24 (Posted by Eric)
domestic partners - ha!
Comment #25 (Posted by an unknown user)
Excellent artcle. I usually try to limit my viewings of any given film in my collection to once a year, unless I think a friend will be turned onto it, or they express interest in seeing it. Yes a lot of films don't hold up very well to repeat viewings, for me, those would be most comedies and any film with any kind of trick/surprise ending (IF the entire film has just been a buildup to the big reveal)
Comment #26 (Posted by Adam)
I have about around 915 DVDs. I buy any average 5 dvds a week new and used. I watch them all it about two or three days. But I go to the theater at least once a week same time two time. But I watch old all the time. For me buy dvds and go to the theater is like going shoe shopping for a women. I just cannot get my fix of movies. So movies are my life.
Comment #27 (Posted by The Mutt)
I own a copy of Jaws on DVD that I never watch, yet I still can't change the channel when it is on TV.
Oh, and open that Children of Men DVD. The "making of" stuff is fascinating.
Comment #28 (Posted by themidnighter)
See, this is when you're on point, Devin. When you're not knee-jerk reacting with a strange and undeserved vitriol to a particular geek medium/genre that has fallen out of your favor or that you deem below your intellectual level. It's a reasoned, well thought expression of an opinion. And while I disagree with some of it (a focus on rewatchability, to me, means a focus on better quality), I see where you're coming from. Kudos.
Comment #29 (Posted by Josh)
I've watched Children of Men close to 10 times. It's a great film. One thing I noticed from the second viewing onward is how painfully expositive some of the dialogue is.
"Hey remember when we used to be political activists."
"God that was 10 years ago. Hmm what else can I spell out for the audience about our past?"
I probably wouldn't even have noticed this if I had just stopped at the theatrical viewing. But there's so much more to love about the movie.
I dunno, I'd rather be sick of a movie than missing it.
Comment #30 (Posted by steve)
God Devin, you sure are a fat fuck.
Comment #31 (Posted by SeanS)
Bravo, Devin. Finally, you've written something that didn't make me want to punch my computer monitor.
This is PRECISELY what's wrong with movies today. It's March 17, and I've only seen three movies at the theater this year (not counting repeats of 2007 flicks). I'm not going because I know all these movies will be on DVD by May, PPV by June, and HBO by Thanksgiving.
But that's just wrong. Going to the movies IS a magical experience -- when you don't have to listen to cell phones, screaming children and old men asking their wives what Daniel Day-Lewis just said.
Comment #32 (Posted by Snausage)
Children Of Men was an okay movie, not great and it will be forgotten 5 years from now. Superbad was okay not great and it will be forgotten 2 years from now.(Knocked Up is already forgotten). I am not sure what my point is other than most of the flicks constantly hyped on this site are very mediocre. In conclusion I would like to add that books are stupid.